1 00:00:47,139 --> 00:00:43,229 [Music] 2 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:47,149 this hope radio for the masses Atlanta 3 00:00:51,450 --> 00:00:50,020 between July 8 1947 4 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:51,460 she's on the air for the person I've 5 00:00:56,490 --> 00:00:53,950 been applying there - found and there's 6 00:01:00,200 --> 00:00:56,500 now in the possession of the RA the game 7 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:00,210 is rigged change the game changer I 8 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:03,070 occasionally think how quickly our 9 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:07,360 differences worldwide would vanish if we 10 00:01:13,210 --> 00:01:10,030 were facing an alien threat from outside 11 00:01:18,490 --> 00:01:15,700 [Applause] 12 00:01:21,430 --> 00:01:18,500 this is fade to black with your host 13 00:01:23,380 --> 00:01:21,440 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 14 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:23,390 network and K GRA 15 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:30,710 we need your help to get to the year 16 00:01:33,630 --> 00:01:32,010 1980 17 00:01:37,370 --> 00:01:33,640 five 18 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:37,380 [Music] 19 00:01:41,470 --> 00:01:39,290 you listen intubated 20 00:01:42,430 --> 00:01:41,480 with jimmy touch on the game change in 21 00:01:46,070 --> 00:01:42,440 network 22 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:46,080 [Music] 23 00:01:58,690 --> 00:01:50,030 well well well 24 00:02:08,889 --> 00:02:03,880 how're you doing it is Monday October 25 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:08,899 22nd 2018 this is fade to black 26 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:13,260 298 days into the new year just 67 days 27 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:16,980 left man we just about wrapped 28 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:19,900 2018 pretty incredible 29 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:24,250 as always we are live from a bunker 30 00:02:29,069 --> 00:02:27,010 somewhere in the middle of the beautiful 31 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:29,079 downtown Burbank California and I would 32 00:02:34,289 --> 00:02:30,610 like to welcome everybody listening all 33 00:02:38,099 --> 00:02:34,299 around the world all across the United 34 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:38,109 States hither and thither to and fro 35 00:02:45,059 --> 00:02:40,180 back and forth up and down east and west 36 00:02:48,539 --> 00:02:45,069 north and south far and near 37 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:48,549 this is fade to black for kjc are the 38 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:51,730 game changer networking k tra the 39 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:54,340 planets that's right 40 00:02:57,700 --> 00:02:56,049 I'm your host Tim you Church what is 41 00:03:00,130 --> 00:02:57,710 cracking everybody how you doing 42 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:00,140 [Music] 43 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:04,850 well where do I start 44 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:10,050 what start where do we go that's right 45 00:03:17,090 --> 00:03:11,940 in case you haven't heard tonight our 46 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:17,100 guest is Richard Dolan that's right and 47 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:19,050 Richard is here to have another open and 48 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:21,810 frank conversation about our community 49 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:23,120 all of it 50 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:29,370 so get ready kids that's right I know 51 00:03:35,810 --> 00:03:32,910 you want me to say buckle up yeah come 52 00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:35,820 on it's Richard Richard we're just gonna 53 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:38,700 we're just gonna sit and talk drink some 54 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:39,330 coffee 55 00:03:43,940 --> 00:03:42,330 in talk that's what we're gonna do 56 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:43,950 tonight Richard Dolan is here tomorrow 57 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:44,540 night 58 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:48,630 Wow really Laura eisenhower is here 59 00:03:54,650 --> 00:03:51,720 tomorrow night she's back with us always 60 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:54,660 great when she's here I miss Laura so 61 00:04:00,800 --> 00:03:56,700 she's gonna be with us and I know that 62 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:00,810 she is going to presenting be presenting 63 00:04:05,990 --> 00:04:03,390 this weekend in Albuquerque at the 64 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Stargate conference so she is with us 65 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:08,250 tomorrow night Wednesday night Nick 66 00:04:12,259 --> 00:04:10,650 Redfern is back and he's going to talk 67 00:04:13,940 --> 00:04:12,269 about his new book that was just 68 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:13,950 released and published we have it here 69 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:17,280 on abductions and that will be Wednesday 70 00:04:22,820 --> 00:04:19,500 night Thursday night is another Fator 71 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:22,830 night open lines all night long that's 72 00:04:29,540 --> 00:04:27,510 right that's right open lines man what a 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:29,550 great what a great fate have we had this 74 00:04:34,340 --> 00:04:32,490 past Thursday talked about it all 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:34,350 weekend it was so much fun so anyway 76 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:35,010 there we go 77 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:39,120 okay let's get let's get this show 78 00:04:44,630 --> 00:04:40,710 cracking we got a lot to do tonight and 79 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:44,640 I know that there are a lot of you here 80 00:04:51,469 --> 00:04:48,300 and the thing is this this is what you 81 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:51,479 want to do okay you want to follow me on 82 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:53,310 Twitter that's that's the first thing so 83 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:55,500 get that off of the list at Jay Church 84 00:05:01,760 --> 00:04:59,570 radio go and follow me the sandbox is 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:01,770 hashtag f2b 86 00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:05,610 if you are new to Twitter then get your 87 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,860 Twitter thing going whatever whatever it 88 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:09,360 is that you want to say about this show 89 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:11,220 tonight yeah you can pop me in there add 90 00:05:17,689 --> 00:05:12,840 to your trivia that's fine 91 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:17,699 hashtag f2b is where the conversation 92 00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:20,910 takes off okay that is the sandbox The 93 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:23,639 Fader nots the loyal fans of this show 94 00:05:29,810 --> 00:05:27,110 over the years have named it the sandbox 95 00:05:31,850 --> 00:05:29,820 I'd like to take credit for it I can't 96 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:31,860 in fact I don't even know who did 97 00:05:35,570 --> 00:05:34,290 but somebody named it the sandbox a long 98 00:05:37,909 --> 00:05:35,580 time ago that's where it's at 99 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:37,919 hashtag f2b if you have any questions or 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:40,110 comments during the show tonight 101 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:44,370 please use hashtag f2b q everything is 102 00:05:50,090 --> 00:05:47,310 up in front of me and live we have to 103 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:50,100 chat rooms we have one in Spreaker we 104 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:53,460 have one over at kg RA the planet and I 105 00:06:00,820 --> 00:05:56,490 believe that tonight for the first time 106 00:06:03,379 --> 00:06:00,830 we might even have chat live on the 107 00:06:05,330 --> 00:06:03,389 stream let me see here 108 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:05,340 I'm gonna fly over to the stream I 109 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:08,190 haven't even checked and let's see if 110 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:10,500 the chatroom is going over there no it's 111 00:06:16,969 --> 00:06:14,160 not oh okay all right I'll see what I 112 00:06:18,290 --> 00:06:16,979 can do about that during the break I 113 00:06:20,659 --> 00:06:18,300 don't have time to do that right now 114 00:06:23,719 --> 00:06:20,669 okay few minutes it's too much to think 115 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:23,729 about all the time tonight Richard Dolan 116 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:27,120 is here you can follow everything that I 117 00:06:34,339 --> 00:06:30,120 do on social media which is on stellar 118 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:34,349 dot-com o NS te ll a are calm of course 119 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:37,110 Twitter Facebook now hang out a little 120 00:06:42,469 --> 00:06:40,190 bit over there YouTube we post every day 121 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:42,479 all of the shows and of course we 122 00:06:48,620 --> 00:06:45,210 broadcast live there too as well so you 123 00:06:50,089 --> 00:06:48,630 can subscribe to our official YouTube 124 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:50,099 channel everything is over at you meter 125 00:06:53,719 --> 00:06:52,380 it's radio calm okay it's all really 126 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:53,729 that simple you can also email 127 00:06:58,159 --> 00:06:56,250 throughout the show Jimmy at Jimmy 128 00:07:00,050 --> 00:06:58,169 Church radio calm before we get to all 129 00:07:02,930 --> 00:07:00,060 the action tonight I've got some 130 00:07:06,589 --> 00:07:02,940 breaking news this is craziness two five 131 00:07:11,180 --> 00:07:06,599 artifacts thought to be part of the Dead 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:11,190 Sea Scrolls are fake and will not be 133 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:13,530 displayed anymore at the Museum of the 134 00:07:21,159 --> 00:07:16,889 Bible in Washington DC they announced it 135 00:07:22,970 --> 00:07:21,169 today that's right I find it hilarious 136 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:22,980 seriously I do 137 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:26,250 and the real question here is how much 138 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:30,060 did they pay for them right how much 139 00:07:36,710 --> 00:07:33,510 five right this is isn't this hobby 140 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:36,720 what's the hobby store chain what's it 141 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:39,750 called I think these are the owners of 142 00:07:43,370 --> 00:07:41,610 that hobby store chain I can't remember 143 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:43,380 what the name of it is but they owned 144 00:07:48,470 --> 00:07:45,810 this Bible in what the Museum of the 145 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:48,480 Bible in Washington DC and they've got a 146 00:07:53,530 --> 00:07:50,520 lot of questions about what they have 147 00:07:56,990 --> 00:07:53,540 acquired over the years with their money 148 00:07:59,030 --> 00:07:57,000 so there's that and of course was the 149 00:08:04,520 --> 00:07:59,040 purchase even legal how do you purchase 150 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:04,530 pieces of the Dead Sea Scrolls oh man 151 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:07,980 and who else purchased fake Dead Sea 152 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:12,210 Scrolls well the bottom line is this is 153 00:08:17,870 --> 00:08:14,060 it Hobby Lobby thank you for that 154 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:17,880 Cassandra is it Hobby Lobby all right I 155 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:21,240 don't want to be wrong there but if 156 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:23,490 anybody is interested I just want to let 157 00:08:29,630 --> 00:08:26,220 you know and is especially those at 158 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:29,640 Hobby Lobby that I have an original Old 159 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:31,380 Testament I do 160 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:35,190 sign by Moses and it's for sale that's 161 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:37,320 right and if you open it up right there 162 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:39,930 on the front it says to Jimmy I'm a big 163 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:44,970 fan signed mo and it's for sale so just 164 00:08:47,780 --> 00:08:46,530 let me know you can contact me Jimmy 165 00:08:50,270 --> 00:08:47,790 Jimmy Church radio.com 166 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:50,280 and O will negotiate a price for that 167 00:08:56,210 --> 00:08:53,550 it's real - don't forget to subscribe to 168 00:08:58,430 --> 00:08:56,220 our podcast it is just two dollars per 169 00:09:00,020 --> 00:08:58,440 month help support the show and you get 170 00:09:02,510 --> 00:09:00,030 all the apps that you need just click 171 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:02,520 over at the podcast banner at Jimmy 172 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:04,490 Church radio calm we have over 900 173 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:06,570 archived shows right there just two 174 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:08,130 dollars a month you can also become a 175 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:09,600 fade or not over in our membership 176 00:09:14,120 --> 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years old happy birthday to Crystal 191 00:09:54,449 --> 00:09:53,440 Floyd Jeff Goldblum today is 68 and yeah 192 00:09:57,690 --> 00:09:54,459 I know what you're saying 193 00:10:00,210 --> 00:09:57,700 you know Jurassic Park yeah okay maybe 194 00:10:02,220 --> 00:10:00,220 thor ragnarok you know he's pretty good 195 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:02,230 in that but it's always good to be 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:04,000 Independence Day for all of us around 197 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:06,370 here at the office but he was also 198 00:10:12,389 --> 00:10:09,430 pretty good in The Life Aquatic and the 199 00:10:15,319 --> 00:10:12,399 grand Budapest hotel happy birthday to 200 00:10:20,850 --> 00:10:15,329 Jeff Goldblum on this day in history oh 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:20,860 TD 1867 oh no that's the wrong one what 202 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:29,410 happened oh no oh man my to the stain 203 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:32,260 history is gone yeah and so's my fader 204 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:35,230 fact so there you go so I'm gonna jump 205 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:41,550 ahead and my on this day in history was 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:46,300 man I forgot it already oh man there you 207 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:48,370 go you gotta love live radio all right 208 00:10:52,829 --> 00:10:49,630 I'm gonna hit this coffee because we 209 00:10:57,620 --> 00:10:52,839 have to talk for a second this shameless 210 00:11:02,250 --> 00:10:57,630 plug for River moon coffee oh man 211 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:02,260 fade to black blend you know you go 212 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:05,200 through life life has its ups and downs 213 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:08,230 and everybody has dreams and you do your 214 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:09,730 thing and all you want to do is just 215 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:12,670 move forward and you know sometimes you 216 00:11:16,139 --> 00:11:14,140 have a little success sometimes you 217 00:11:17,819 --> 00:11:16,149 don't you know maybe you know I remember 218 00:11:19,710 --> 00:11:17,829 when I was in a band and I played 219 00:11:20,970 --> 00:11:19,720 gazzarri's for the first time it's like 220 00:11:24,329 --> 00:11:20,980 man oh man 221 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:24,339 have we arrived we're playing gazzarri's 222 00:11:31,889 --> 00:11:26,890 tonight is this word like is this what 223 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:31,899 it's about well I can safely say no no 224 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:33,850 let me tell you what life is about when 225 00:11:41,939 --> 00:11:37,930 you drink your own coffee with your 226 00:11:43,819 --> 00:11:41,949 picture on the package that's a pretty 227 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:43,829 good feeling so let me hit this again 228 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:46,170 hmm 229 00:11:49,390 --> 00:11:48,790 fade to black blend by River moon coffee 230 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:49,400 how 231 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:51,890 ever uh never end the shameless plugs 232 00:11:57,610 --> 00:11:53,690 for that alright so let me tell you how 233 00:12:04,410 --> 00:11:57,620 it is let's get comfortable for a second 234 00:12:07,180 --> 00:12:04,420 folks the UFO community a UFO conference 235 00:12:08,820 --> 00:12:07,190 talk shows like fade to black or 236 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:08,830 coast-to-coast am 237 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:13,850 these are the safe zones that's right a 238 00:12:18,850 --> 00:12:15,830 place where you can come and share 239 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:18,860 anything and everything without anyone 240 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:23,030 passing judgment in fact it's supposed 241 00:12:30,490 --> 00:12:27,170 to be the exact opposite this is the 242 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:30,500 place where you go where people may pass 243 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:34,960 judgment they may not but your comments 244 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:38,470 your stories your conversations are 245 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:40,730 yours and yours alone 246 00:12:46,990 --> 00:12:43,010 and you are able to go and express 247 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:47,000 yourselves I'll never forget my first 248 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:50,000 MUFON meeting here in Los Angeles ten 249 00:12:57,220 --> 00:12:53,450 years ago and I stood in the middle of 250 00:12:58,210 --> 00:12:57,230 the room and as I was standing there 251 00:13:00,700 --> 00:12:58,220 there were like four or five 252 00:13:04,060 --> 00:13:00,710 conversations going around me at the 253 00:13:06,850 --> 00:13:04,070 same time you know just these two over 254 00:13:09,250 --> 00:13:06,860 here talking about being abducted all 255 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:09,260 right these two in front of me are 256 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:11,920 talking about ETS in their living rooms 257 00:13:18,070 --> 00:13:15,770 right over here to my right was a 258 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:18,080 conversation I'm not exaggerating here 259 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:20,570 about the landing of a craft out in the 260 00:13:24,940 --> 00:13:22,580 desert that was witnessed by them and 261 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:24,950 their friends and I was standing there I 262 00:13:33,790 --> 00:13:29,720 was like holy crap this is great as my 263 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:33,800 people I've never experienced that 264 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:36,530 before and everybody's just talking and 265 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:40,670 everybody is listening now remember at 266 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:43,330 that time I had had my own little 267 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:45,920 experiences that I had never shared with 268 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,710 anyone ever you know in here I've got an 269 00:13:53,620 --> 00:13:51,440 opportunity I can actually talk to 270 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:53,630 somebody and tell them what happened to 271 00:13:58,590 --> 00:13:55,760 me and they're gonna listen and and 272 00:14:02,260 --> 00:13:58,600 maybe even ask me questions and write 273 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:02,270 this freedom now when I go to 274 00:14:07,210 --> 00:14:03,170 conferences to 275 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:07,220 I have all kinds of people that come up 276 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:10,760 to me and talk and yeah you know and 277 00:14:14,199 --> 00:14:12,440 they're sharing their own experiences 278 00:14:15,850 --> 00:14:14,209 and things and they've got something 279 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:15,860 that they have to tell me and some of it 280 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:17,510 can get way out there I'll admit that 281 00:14:23,620 --> 00:14:21,740 but I always listened I go back and 282 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:23,630 think about what happened to me that 283 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:27,529 first time it and move on you know and 284 00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:31,209 that's what this community is about 285 00:14:37,629 --> 00:14:34,790 right hangout at a conference after 286 00:14:39,490 --> 00:14:37,639 hours in the bar or a different areas 287 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:39,500 where people kind of hang out a park 288 00:14:44,170 --> 00:14:41,360 bench you know you know somewhere 289 00:14:48,189 --> 00:14:44,180 outside a couple of people smoking go up 290 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:48,199 and listen to them you will hear one 291 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:51,500 story after another and it's fun and 292 00:14:57,250 --> 00:14:54,350 it's cool and it's open these are people 293 00:15:02,139 --> 00:14:57,260 expressing you know and that's what this 294 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:02,149 community is about and this show fade to 295 00:15:10,060 --> 00:15:06,620 black is no different it's the barber 296 00:15:13,630 --> 00:15:10,070 shop and when you have done as many 297 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:13,640 shows as I have or taken as many phone 298 00:15:18,370 --> 00:15:16,190 calls as I have or done as many 299 00:15:21,610 --> 00:15:18,380 conferences I have in and meet and 300 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:21,620 greets you learn one beautiful thing 301 00:15:27,630 --> 00:15:23,930 about this community and it's that we 302 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:27,640 listen we share we talk it's what we do 303 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:33,110 and this community of ours is all we've 304 00:15:44,889 --> 00:15:37,910 got we own it and you need to think 305 00:15:49,059 --> 00:15:44,899 about that this community is ours just 306 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:49,069 like any other community or family we 307 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:50,930 are going to have arguments we're going 308 00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:53,209 to have disagreements we're gonna have 309 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:55,519 agreements we're gonna have parties 310 00:16:00,309 --> 00:15:57,560 we're gonna have the sad times we're 311 00:16:03,850 --> 00:16:00,319 gonna have the good times but that's 312 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:03,860 what a family does and the family sticks 313 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:06,170 together through the thick and then 314 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:10,370 through all of it because in the end all 315 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:19,210 and it's because of this honor this 316 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:22,370 tradition of openness here with this 317 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:25,820 community don't ever let anyone tell you 318 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:29,030 that you shouldn't listen to this person 319 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:35,570 or that don't don't that is poison walk 320 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:42,560 away run think about that every single 321 00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:46,130 day after a broadcast of fade to black 322 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:50,000 or coast to coast it doesn't matter it 323 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:51,470 doesn't matter who the guest is or what 324 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:54,110 the subject is I'll get an email the 325 00:17:00,970 --> 00:16:57,410 next day from at least one person you 326 00:17:03,340 --> 00:17:00,980 know one one listener and it's gonna be 327 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:03,350 an email from someone saying that I 328 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:06,620 should never have that guest on again or 329 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:08,310 they're never gonna listen to this show 330 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:10,930 [Laughter] 331 00:17:16,059 --> 00:17:13,850 it's every single day it doesn't matter 332 00:17:18,460 --> 00:17:16,069 who the guest is tonight it's Richard 333 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:18,470 Dolan ha get an email tomorrow if you 334 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,390 ever have Richard on the show again I'll 335 00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:23,360 never listen right it doesn't matter it 336 00:17:30,970 --> 00:17:27,620 doesn't matter who the guest is let's 337 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:30,980 suppose for a second let's let's let's 338 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:35,210 suppose that I actually did it think 339 00:17:43,390 --> 00:17:39,410 about this for real that we would 340 00:17:48,010 --> 00:17:43,400 actually blacklist a guest because of an 341 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:48,020 email a post what does that say about 342 00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:53,050 the integrity of this show or myself 343 00:17:59,950 --> 00:17:57,440 think about that this show happens the 344 00:18:01,170 --> 00:17:59,960 way it does because I think that I'm 345 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:01,180 gonna have an interesting conversation 346 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:02,750 that's it 347 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:06,010 just like hanging out at a MUFON 348 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:11,000 symposium some UFO gathering right 349 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:12,080 that's it 350 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:13,730 it's just an interesting conversation 351 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:17,090 whether it's about time travel ancient 352 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:17,840 history 353 00:18:24,130 --> 00:18:21,620 pop culture Van Halen or orbiting 354 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:24,140 Jupiter on an ET starship with an a 355 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:28,610 reptilian Overlord it doesn't matter it 356 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:33,490 so what would that say about my 357 00:18:41,050 --> 00:18:37,430 integrity think about that where you the 358 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:41,060 listener are assuming a few things about 359 00:18:48,490 --> 00:18:45,110 fade to black and one of them is it's 360 00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:48,500 the barbershop everybody can come in 361 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:49,640 here and talk 362 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:53,270 I take unscreened phone calls anybody 363 00:18:58,990 --> 00:18:56,380 can call in I will listen to everybody 364 00:19:01,780 --> 00:18:59,000 right and if the conversation is 365 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:01,790 interesting great if it's not it's not 366 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:04,850 it's just like any other conversation 367 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:06,260 that you're gonna have but you're 368 00:19:14,110 --> 00:19:09,910 assuming that everybody is welcome that 369 00:19:20,890 --> 00:19:14,120 suddenly I'm not bringing on a guest 370 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:20,900 because somebody told me not to what it 371 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:24,100 just doesn't work that way it doesn't 372 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:26,960 this show happens because I think I'm 373 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:28,910 gonna have that interesting conversation 374 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:32,330 which brings me to this whenever someone 375 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:35,600 out there tries to say that we shouldn't 376 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:38,300 listen that I shouldn't listen I back 377 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:43,930 off I back off seriously i backpedal 378 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:48,350 it's very very simple nobody knows the 379 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:53,090 answer to the et or UFO question it's 380 00:20:00,100 --> 00:19:54,070 that simple 381 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:00,110 nobody does nobody critics of this show 382 00:20:07,090 --> 00:20:03,350 don't know the answers to the et or UFO 383 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:07,100 question they don't they don't they 384 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:08,990 can't tell me that they do because I 385 00:20:14,830 --> 00:20:10,990 know they don't 386 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:14,840 skeptics don't know the bunkers don't 387 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:19,370 know abductees don't know experiencers 388 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:22,400 don't know authors researchers don't 389 00:20:36,370 --> 00:20:32,870 know nobody knows nobody nobody there's 390 00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:36,380 no gray area or room for debate 391 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:39,920 it's none there's none that's it that's 392 00:20:45,530 --> 00:20:43,020 the end of the story so if anybody tell 393 00:20:48,340 --> 00:20:45,540 you that they know the truth don't 394 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:48,350 listen to this person listen to this run 395 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:51,960 because they don't know honestly that's 396 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:53,970 the exact opposite of the person that 397 00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,310 you need to be listening to and that's 398 00:21:03,290 --> 00:20:59,100 where you censor that's it 399 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:03,300 so you have to ask yourself this why 400 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:06,330 would anyone try to blow up this 401 00:21:15,860 --> 00:21:09,300 community why would anybody try to 402 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:15,870 divide us why why would anybody try to 403 00:21:23,290 --> 00:21:20,390 cause drama anybody out there anybody 404 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:23,300 think about that that's when you run 405 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,550 this is our community man we'll deal 406 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:29,100 with things on our own we don't need 407 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:31,800 your help you know and especially those 408 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:33,450 that aren't even part of the community 409 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:36,650 they're trying to insert themselves into 410 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:44,930 the drama oh my god it's it's funny now 411 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:49,140 honestly I admit that over the last few 412 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:51,210 days I've gotten the emails I've gotten 413 00:21:56,540 --> 00:21:53,310 texts I've gotten the post saying Jimmy 414 00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:56,550 have you seen this have you seen that 415 00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:57,780 they're talking about you man 416 00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:00,780 and honestly listen to me right now 417 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,360 I haven't anything I I don't click I 418 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:08,640 don't read I don't watch the drama I 419 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:11,570 don't listen to it I just don't do it 420 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:14,850 now I hope I haven't bumped anybody out 421 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:16,830 by saying this but I really have no idea 422 00:22:21,410 --> 00:22:19,410 what is said nor do I care 423 00:22:23,030 --> 00:22:21,420 I really don't and I know that there are 424 00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:23,040 people out there they're probably 425 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:25,920 listening right now that that are hoping 426 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:29,880 that I've but but I haven't I constantly 427 00:22:36,170 --> 00:22:31,890 have it so I'm able to sit back and go 428 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:36,180 no no no don't know what was said didn't 429 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:39,230 watch it don't care I don't 430 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:45,930 will it affect fade to black know do I 431 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:49,950 change my life today oh my god they said 432 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:53,510 no it doesn't it doesn't change a thing 433 00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:56,100 there was only one reason to mention me 434 00:23:00,990 --> 00:22:56,830 or fade 435 00:23:04,289 --> 00:23:01,000 negatively in a video or a post honestly 436 00:23:06,330 --> 00:23:04,299 it's to elevate one's own ego whoever 437 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:06,340 makes these statements needs to feel 438 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,500 important they need to feel wanted they 439 00:23:12,269 --> 00:23:10,240 need to feel needed they're needy 440 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:12,279 they've got an ego that needs to be fed 441 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:15,700 and they probably want me to react and 442 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:17,830 say their name in the air and that ain't 443 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:20,710 gonna happen because well I have no idea 444 00:23:27,659 --> 00:23:23,890 what was said or who said it it don't 445 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:27,669 care and this is the thing and here's 446 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:30,700 the most important point and it's no 447 00:23:38,299 --> 00:23:35,200 joke I don't need to feed my ego by 448 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:38,309 listening to someone else talk about me 449 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:43,080 actually that just sounds kind of gross 450 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:46,059 so I don't take that I just don't do it 451 00:23:52,649 --> 00:23:50,200 I don't you need to think about 452 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:52,659 everything that I just said what fade to 453 00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:54,250 black is about what I am about 454 00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,460 it's all the community first it's always 455 00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,460 been that way 456 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:02,559 sure I've had questionable guests over 457 00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:06,070 the years sure I have had I've had I've 458 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:08,980 had guests phone calls on this show 459 00:24:12,899 --> 00:24:11,529 where you have listened to the story 460 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:12,909 you've listened to the narrative you 461 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:14,350 listen to the caller talk about their 462 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:16,450 experience you've listened to me 463 00:24:19,889 --> 00:24:18,340 interview somebody that has shared 464 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:19,899 whatever it is that they're gonna share 465 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:24,220 and it may push the the envelope of 466 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:26,830 believability and you are all sitting 467 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:29,320 there waiting for what you're waiting 468 00:24:34,529 --> 00:24:31,690 for that guest or that caller to screw 469 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:34,539 up do you want to see how far they can 470 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,200 take it it's okay that's part of the 471 00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,480 support of it there's the other part of 472 00:24:45,389 --> 00:24:42,880 it when I have a caller that calls up 473 00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,399 when I have a guest that shared some 474 00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:47,919 experience that is similar to my own or 475 00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:51,039 your own and they've heard about it on 476 00:24:54,810 --> 00:24:52,539 the show and they've heard it discussed 477 00:24:58,019 --> 00:24:54,820 before and now they feel comfortable 478 00:25:02,090 --> 00:24:58,029 enough to come in here and share with us 479 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:02,100 and that's why this show is so cool 480 00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,710 that's why it is just amazing and that's 481 00:25:09,419 --> 00:25:07,120 why people will come up to me at a 482 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:09,429 conference because they know that I will 483 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:10,130 listen 484 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:12,350 because it goes right back to those 485 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:14,780 original MUFON meetings where I went and 486 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:18,049 I just had that freedom that freedom and 487 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:20,860 I never want to let that go 488 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:24,890 discernment is up to you the audience 489 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:28,130 just like back in the day when I used to 490 00:25:32,919 --> 00:25:30,710 listen to coast to coast late at night I 491 00:25:36,730 --> 00:25:32,929 would listen to other alternative things 492 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:36,740 I would read the books I enjoyed it I 493 00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:42,320 kept an open mind tonight my guest is 494 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:45,559 Richard Dolan and it seems that every 495 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:49,100 time Richard is on the show there's some 496 00:25:56,340 --> 00:25:53,450 crazy business about tonight is no 497 00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,350 exception and it's a good thing though 498 00:26:03,130 --> 00:25:59,840 because Richard has a way of talking 499 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:03,140 sense into everyone we all sit up and 500 00:26:08,409 --> 00:26:05,929 listen when when Richard enters the room 501 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:08,419 it's the respect I have introduced 502 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:11,150 Richard at countless conferences I have 503 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,030 sat with Richard privately and had the 504 00:26:19,270 --> 00:26:16,640 most amazing conversations both in 505 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:19,280 person and on the phone we have a mutual 506 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:22,370 respect for each other and when I 507 00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:24,890 introduced Richard at a conference I 508 00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:28,100 make sure that I mention one thing every 509 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:30,620 time which is something that this 510 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,200 community can be proud of 511 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:35,600 Richard's ten minutes and the Press Club 512 00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:39,049 in Washington DC those ten minutes that 513 00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:43,909 he spoke represented us and we can go 514 00:26:48,610 --> 00:26:45,590 and you can go and look at that video 515 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:48,620 and know that this is the man that is 516 00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:50,900 representing this this this community 517 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:55,070 and he speaks from not only a historical 518 00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:57,890 perspective but a very pragmatic view 519 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:01,520 and and we need to always sit and listen 520 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:03,710 to what Richard has to say you may not 521 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:07,070 agree but that's not the point you may 522 00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:10,330 agree and that is not the point 523 00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:14,059 the point is he has a way to get us all 524 00:27:22,570 --> 00:27:18,080 back to our senses it's what he does and 525 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:22,580 he does it so well one thing is for sure 526 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:27,110 I long for the day when Richard and I 527 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:31,070 can just sit and talk about UFOs then 528 00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:34,850 disco music you know so hopefully in the 529 00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:38,720 future Richard will be on the show and I 530 00:27:44,409 --> 00:27:42,200 promise you all will talk about is UFOs 531 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:44,419 it's one of the best parts about Richard 532 00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:47,390 that these days it all gets ignored so 533 00:27:51,009 --> 00:27:49,100 don't worry it's gonna happen soon and 534 00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,019 that is a pinky promise tonight our 535 00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,360 guest is Richard Dolan I want to remind 536 00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:55,279 everybody that tomorrow night Laura 537 00:27:59,799 --> 00:27:58,130 Eisenhower is back with us Wednesday 538 00:28:01,210 --> 00:27:59,809 night we have Nick Redfern here we're 539 00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,220 gonna talk about his new book on 540 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:03,679 abductions and then of course Thursday 541 00:28:08,649 --> 00:28:06,049 night is another fader night right here 542 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:08,659 on fade to black it is open lines all 543 00:28:13,539 --> 00:28:11,690 night long this is fade to black it's 544 00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,549 gonna be one of those nights I'm looking 545 00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:15,200 forward to this our guest is Richard 546 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:16,820 Dolan I'll be back after this short 547 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:17,210 break 548 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:19,490 I'm your host Jimmy Church you can email 549 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:21,289 me right now Jimmy and Jimmy Church 550 00:28:25,899 --> 00:28:23,380 radio calm you can follow me on twitter 551 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:25,909 @jj church radio you can also follow 552 00:28:32,139 --> 00:28:30,830 Richard Dolan at rich Dolan on Twitter's 553 00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:32,149 fade to black on the game changer 554 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:34,220 network and kg re the planet 555 00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,529 I'll be back with our guests Richard 556 00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:38,000 Dolan after this short break stay with 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00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:44,630 think he was speed typing he just got 643 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:47,450 too rich maybe his family calls him rich 644 00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:50,690 maybe that's some inside info and she 645 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:53,150 can follow him at rich Dolan tomorrow 646 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:54,830 night lor eyes and hours here Wednesday 647 00:33:59,620 --> 00:33:57,770 night Nick Redfern Thursday night is 648 00:34:01,450 --> 00:33:59,630 Fator night open lines tonight it's 649 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:01,460 Richard Dolan one of the world's leading 650 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:02,930 researchers and writers on the subject 651 00:34:07,690 --> 00:34:05,450 of UFOs and believes that they 652 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:07,700 constitute the greatest mystery of our 653 00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:11,090 time richer completed his graduate work 654 00:34:15,490 --> 00:34:13,220 at the University of Rochester where he 655 00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:15,500 studied us cold war strategy European 656 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:17,149 history and international diplomacy 657 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:19,490 before that he studied at Alfred 658 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:22,010 University and Oxford University and had 659 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:23,720 been a finalist for a road scholarship 660 00:34:27,820 --> 00:34:26,090 he's the author of UFOs in the national 661 00:34:30,909 --> 00:34:27,830 security state he co-authored with 662 00:34:32,649 --> 00:34:30,919 bi-stable Eadie after disclosure and of 663 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:32,659 course his latest book that I've been 664 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:34,220 talking about for the last four years 665 00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:38,090 it's UFOs and the 21st century mind of 666 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,550 course he hosts a weekly radio show the 667 00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:42,730 Richard Dolan show right here on KCRA 668 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:45,590 he's a frequent guest with me over at 669 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:47,419 coast-to-coast a.m. and is currently 670 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:49,370 featured on several television series 671 00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:51,110 and documentaries including ancient 672 00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:53,060 aliens hangar one the UFO FILES and 673 00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Close Encounters and of course his guy a 674 00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,850 TV series of false flags in addition to 675 00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:01,760 all of this research he also has Richard 676 00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:04,940 Dolan Press which he actively publishes 677 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:06,620 innovative books by authors from all 678 00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:08,810 around the world but tonight we're gonna 679 00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:11,150 discuss the latest news in our UFO 680 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:12,230 community we're gonna talk about 681 00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:14,690 trademarks publishing and the media 682 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:17,420 maybe get a little TT essay and maybe 683 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:20,420 some gaya TV maybe some recent UFO 684 00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:23,090 sightings and of course his next book on 685 00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,120 false flags right now it's Richard bleep 686 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:27,920 and doling I'm fade to black anything 687 00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:29,510 can happen and probably will welcome 688 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:32,420 back Richard how are you man hello mr. 689 00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:34,310 Jimmy I'm glad to be here with you and 690 00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:36,860 Richard I'm not gonna talk to you about 691 00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:39,260 false flags tonight but let me ask you 692 00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:40,990 this 693 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:43,220 what was the last song you listened to 694 00:35:49,289 --> 00:35:47,569 today oh caught totally off-guard yeah 695 00:35:51,789 --> 00:35:49,299 you weren't expecting that were you 696 00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:51,799 let's see I don't think we disco dedup 697 00:35:57,819 --> 00:35:53,630 today I'm Tracy sitting right here with 698 00:36:04,420 --> 00:35:57,829 me hey trace so I think it classical 699 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:04,430 music some kind of box a box English 700 00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:08,510 sweets listen and learn we'll do Donna 701 00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:10,280 Summer next time okay you know somebody 702 00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:12,920 tweeted out you know that Richard 703 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:14,750 definitely listened to disco today but 704 00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:16,730 he's gonna he's gonna go the classical 705 00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:19,099 route and save himself that was actually 706 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:21,980 sweet really and you said that yeah so 707 00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:24,609 there you go you saved yourself 708 00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:26,540 prediction yeah that was pretty good 709 00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:29,270 that was pretty good hey Richard 710 00:36:35,049 --> 00:36:31,430 Richard bleep and Dolan are you gonna 711 00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:35,059 trademark that yeah I'm thinking I'm 712 00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:36,740 going to go through some trademark and 713 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:40,160 some significant copy right measures 714 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:44,210 myself to protect my own IP okay it's 715 00:36:50,579 --> 00:36:45,710 the only way to go yeah it's fair enough 716 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:53,470 honestly the whole trademarking thing is 717 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:55,730 bringing everyone right up to the edge 718 00:37:01,569 --> 00:36:58,970 of almost being like a patent troll and 719 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:01,579 you know we're on here you and I chatted 720 00:37:06,970 --> 00:37:03,369 about this earlier today talking about 721 00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:06,980 the what I just think of as the quarry 722 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:10,520 good trademark Fiasco right and I don't 723 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,190 even pretend that I have the whole story 724 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:14,960 on this Tracy and I we've been really 725 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:17,510 trying to get to the bottom of it I have 726 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:18,650 been trying to figure this out to the 727 00:37:22,089 --> 00:37:20,390 best of my ability and I know that 728 00:37:24,579 --> 00:37:22,099 there's information I probably lack but 729 00:37:28,539 --> 00:37:24,589 I it does look to me that we're dealing 730 00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:28,549 with in on some level on one level a 731 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:32,720 kind of almost standard battle that you 732 00:37:37,809 --> 00:37:34,910 find in media and among corporations to 733 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:37,819 protect after after a nasty breakup 734 00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:39,410 which obviously happened with Corey and 735 00:37:45,549 --> 00:37:42,319 David Wilcock with Gaia over the rights 736 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:45,559 to presumably their shows correct I'm 737 00:37:49,539 --> 00:37:48,049 guessing they probably are looking at 738 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:49,549 greener pastures somewhere and they want 739 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:51,770 to be able to or he wants to be able to 740 00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:53,260 maintain certain titles 741 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:55,540 so I get that and probably a lot of 742 00:38:02,730 --> 00:37:57,130 people get that but the problem of 743 00:38:04,349 --> 00:38:02,740 course is a you know first of all you 744 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:04,359 can't try to stop other people from 745 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:06,010 talking about this subject that's 746 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:06,790 ridiculous 747 00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:09,850 secondly to to have the pretense that 748 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:14,950 you have ownership over certain phrases 749 00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:19,810 like SSP and really implied the phrase 750 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:21,940 secret space program in his attorneys 751 00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:25,780 letter to chasten rice not long ago that 752 00:38:32,609 --> 00:38:30,300 certainly is implied so there's and 753 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:32,619 here's the thing I think a lot of us 754 00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:35,050 who've really followed the UFO field and 755 00:38:40,349 --> 00:38:36,750 have been involved in it for a long time 756 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:40,359 have tried to just avoid and ignore a 757 00:38:44,460 --> 00:38:42,730 lot of what's been going on and these 758 00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,470 so-called whistleblowers and the twenty 759 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:46,240 and back programs and the like and just 760 00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:48,220 hoping that they would one day just go 761 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:52,150 away I was one such person I just 762 00:38:58,349 --> 00:38:55,480 thought this can't be real this can't be 763 00:39:01,590 --> 00:38:58,359 happening and yet every year it was a 764 00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:01,600 phenomenon that seemed to grow and leave 765 00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:04,540 so much more litter and trash in the on 766 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:08,140 the streets of our of our UFO oriented 767 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:10,660 community right and I think what pushed 768 00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,720 a lot of folks over myself and a lot of 769 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:16,000 my own colleagues I've chatted with 770 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:18,130 Joseph Ferrell and Catherine Austin Fitz 771 00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:19,930 and a number of other people who are 772 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:21,400 very involved is a lot of them are very 773 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:23,170 well known lots of people out on YouTube 774 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:26,710 talking about this and I just think a 775 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:29,230 lot of us are not really going to want 776 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:30,160 to put up with this anymore 777 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:33,270 this is too far you can't trademark 778 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:35,590 certain phrases that have been in use 779 00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:38,380 for years and indeed decades like a 780 00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:41,470 secret space program let me jump in yeah 781 00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:43,150 yeah let me jump in really quick you're 782 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:46,990 a publisher right do you trademark your 783 00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:52,680 stuff nope and and why and why is that 784 00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,560 why why should I need to okay why should 785 00:40:02,460 --> 00:39:58,720 I need to trademark any thing that I 786 00:40:06,330 --> 00:40:02,470 because I'm not creating fiction I'm not 787 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:06,340 creating like a creative work of art and 788 00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:07,990 working in the field of history which is 789 00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:11,740 the field of truth right and how how is 790 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:13,750 it that anyone could have a pretense to 791 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:17,170 trademark truth like if I were writing a 792 00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:20,230 book on the people in the state of New 793 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:22,060 York where I happen to live could i 794 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:24,970 trademark New York State or the people 795 00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:28,410 of New York it would be ridiculous 796 00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:30,520 hopefully people would laugh at me if I 797 00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:34,000 tried to do that the fact that Corey 798 00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:35,590 Goode has been trying to trade marks 799 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,620 fear being Alliance or blue avians 800 00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:40,480 that's what I would JK Rowling would 801 00:40:44,070 --> 00:40:42,070 trademark Harry Potter because that's a 802 00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:44,080 work of fiction right you would 803 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,360 trademark works of fiction but I mean if 804 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:47,920 you're going on the pretense that what 805 00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,540 you're talking about is real and like 806 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:53,280 like real people like it are such blue 807 00:40:59,850 --> 00:40:57,550 avian blue birds that are out there then 808 00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:59,860 why would you show them the ultimate 809 00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:01,720 disrespect of trying to trademark them 810 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:03,310 like that wouldn't make sense if they 811 00:41:07,170 --> 00:41:05,140 were real but if there were work of 812 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:07,180 fiction well it's entirely different so 813 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:08,860 there's there's just a lot of us going 814 00:41:16,050 --> 00:41:11,470 on and to try to trademark things that 815 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:16,060 are true and particularly meaningful to 816 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:17,320 a wider community 817 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:20,470 that's pernicious and that's wrong and I 818 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:22,660 think good people are right to try to 819 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:25,270 step in and say something about it yeah 820 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:27,730 and you know I've said you know I've 821 00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:31,060 stated very publicly here that I haven't 822 00:41:36,990 --> 00:41:33,640 trademarked anything I don't know if I 823 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:37,000 should I don't know I but I really don't 824 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:38,050 care about it 825 00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,190 right in that it's it's it's this is a 826 00:41:46,850 --> 00:41:43,920 community that should just be 827 00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:46,860 unrestricted the problem that I have 828 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:49,240 first off anybody has the right to go 829 00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:50,590 and trademark whatever they want you 830 00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:53,560 Richard me or or or ever anybody if they 831 00:42:00,810 --> 00:41:56,020 feel the need to protect themselves but 832 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,820 if you do do that then you shouldn't be 833 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:03,280 critical about anybody else that is 834 00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:06,610 making a trademark claim because then 835 00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:09,400 it's a little bit hypocritical well 836 00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:10,840 actually yeah and when I first heard 837 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:14,350 about this a couple of weeks ago my 838 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:17,170 initial inclination was to look at it 839 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:18,790 exactly that way that he's just he's in 840 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:19,780 a war with guy 841 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:21,820 about money it's all about money and 842 00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:24,310 then those are sorted stories frequently 843 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:25,540 but nonetheless that's their business 844 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:27,460 and if you want to trademark something 845 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:30,730 to protect yourself okay I can get that 846 00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:33,010 but when you jump over the line and 847 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:35,080 attempt there is always even then like 848 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:35,650 this 849 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,510 there's subtext that people were 850 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:39,760 wondering about as to well yeah if you 851 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:41,170 trademark something does that mean you 852 00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:43,240 have exclusive rights over certain types 853 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,460 of use of it whether it's monetization 854 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:47,520 or certain types of other uses and that 855 00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:50,290 lurked in the background and and I 856 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:51,880 understand that he has said no no I'm 857 00:42:55,770 --> 00:42:53,350 not trying to do that but then he goes 858 00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:55,780 and does it like he goes and does it to 859 00:43:01,290 --> 00:42:58,420 Jason rice and explicitly using his 860 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:01,300 lawyer using phrases like SSB and secret 861 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:04,870 space program and honestly I have to say 862 00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:07,090 this like if you need a lawyer I would 863 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:09,400 not use his lawyer because that is such 864 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:10,650 a ham-fisted 865 00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:12,970 obvious attempt like a sledgehammer 866 00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:15,790 style of intimidation yeah that would be 867 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:17,980 used at Jason rice I just think are you 868 00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:21,400 kidding me like it's like that can't be 869 00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:24,340 a credible legal threat indeed if you 870 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:26,830 read that letter carefully there isn't 871 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:28,570 really any kind of legal standing that 872 00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:31,810 they have it's just all you know like we 873 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:33,310 are you are strong with it was that 874 00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:35,290 you're strongly requested we firmly 875 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:38,140 requested to cease and desist it's like 876 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,610 what are you gonna do you know use harsh 877 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:41,440 language at me they didn't really have 878 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:42,610 anything but the fact that they're 879 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:46,030 trying to is is a nasty a nasty little 880 00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:48,430 thing to do I mean it really showed well 881 00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,500 it shows many people gonna say it shows 882 00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:52,480 his true colors I guess I would you know 883 00:43:58,770 --> 00:43:55,900 this is this is you know not I'm not 884 00:44:01,830 --> 00:43:58,780 directly involved but I somewhat am in 885 00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:01,840 in in in that letter and how it was 886 00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:05,710 perceived and for me yeah for me look 887 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:08,110 okay if you want to trademark somethin 888 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:09,850 trade market you got t-shirts you want 889 00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:11,530 to make you got a comic book you're 890 00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:12,790 gonna you got a movie you're gonna do 891 00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,320 you got it whatever and you feel the 892 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:17,500 need that's fine and not controlling 893 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:20,170 people's conversations and if people are 894 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:23,110 free and you want to say that fine but 895 00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:25,810 then you this letter gets sent out and 896 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:29,320 goes public that letter reads to me that 897 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:31,090 you are telling somebody that if they 898 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:32,770 come on this show they can't 899 00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:34,930 talk about things that you don't want 900 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:36,310 them to talk about and that is 901 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:40,390 censorship and I I that letter rub me 902 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:41,260 the wrong way 903 00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:43,450 I mean I well it should I mean that 904 00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:46,120 letter is one more symptom of a much 905 00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,270 much more generalized sickness in our 906 00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:52,000 society and it's goes well beyond the 907 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:53,980 UFO feel this is very widespread and it 908 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:56,950 is intact in many ways on the range of 909 00:45:00,060 --> 00:44:58,570 what people can say in public and I 910 00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:00,070 think what's happened over 20 years 911 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:03,820 we've been beaten down more and more by 912 00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:06,370 don't say this don't do that don't think 913 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:08,080 that you're a bad person can't say this 914 00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:10,030 and we've gotten to this point in our 915 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:12,460 society where we just kind of like we 916 00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:14,350 shrug our shoulders up I guess I can't 917 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:16,990 say that and so I think if this tactic 918 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:19,720 had been tried 20 plus years ago we 919 00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,610 would have laughed it out of existence 920 00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:23,440 like it could never have been conceived 921 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:25,150 right but the fact that it can be 922 00:45:31,110 --> 00:45:29,260 conceived today and attempted is is just 923 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:31,120 a sign of a broader sickness that we 924 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:33,730 have in our society but no this is a 925 00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:36,370 really bad thing and and aside from that 926 00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:40,720 I mean I don't really even it's almost 927 00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:42,670 bothers them to talk about this because 928 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:44,980 in my view the UFO subject is serious 929 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,250 and when we and and the secret space 930 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:51,520 program itself is something that's very 931 00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:54,790 serious and and meaningful and I just 932 00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,110 have to say this and in fact I've 933 00:46:00,600 --> 00:45:58,560 mentioned this with you previously on 934 00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:00,610 prior shows that we have done together 935 00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:03,390 over the years and and I don't know for 936 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,070 absolute fact that this is the case with 937 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:08,200 Corey Goode or other people who've 938 00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:09,940 claimed to be whistleblowers in a secret 939 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:12,700 space program but I will say that over 940 00:46:16,770 --> 00:46:14,830 the long history of the UFO phenomenon 941 00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:16,780 there has been a great deal of 942 00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:19,480 infiltration of this subject of this 943 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:22,500 field by the US intelligence community 944 00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:25,960 it's happened there's been I was looking 945 00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:28,300 into this just recently for some of the 946 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:31,630 broadcasts that I've been doing and back 947 00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,730 in the 1950s you had contact he's like 948 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:36,060 George Van Tassel and George Adamski and 949 00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:40,390 Howard Menger and Truman Authority 950 00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:42,910 Williamson all of whom appeared to have 951 00:46:48,799 --> 00:46:45,660 had different types of connections 952 00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:48,809 to the US intelligence community whether 953 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:51,030 FBI or maybe even in the case of Adamski 954 00:46:56,839 --> 00:46:54,089 suspected CIA and this isn't proven but 955 00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:56,849 there are indications and I bring this 956 00:47:02,089 --> 00:47:00,180 up because many researchers have 957 00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:02,099 concluded that at least some of those 958 00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:03,990 contactees you know I met with people 959 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:06,150 from Venus and I have this message for 960 00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,730 Humanity and so on were brought in in 961 00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,099 order to discredit the genuine 962 00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,220 phenomenon itself now we do know that 963 00:47:18,859 --> 00:47:16,079 the US intelligence community back in 964 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,869 the 50s and 60s and all throughout was 965 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:20,880 actively involved in infiltrating the 966 00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,890 UFO field we know this through the 967 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:26,160 Robertson panel we know this beyond UFOs 968 00:47:29,329 --> 00:47:27,270 through things like operation 969 00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:29,339 Mockingbird where the CIA completely 970 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:31,710 managed so much of US media for decades 971 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,170 and they still do frankly so there's 972 00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,240 infiltration and their infiltration of 973 00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:38,339 UFO groups like a pro and nightcap and 974 00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:39,780 move on 975 00:47:43,549 --> 00:47:41,400 there is the well-known disinformation 976 00:47:45,859 --> 00:47:43,559 campaign by Richard Doty against Paul 977 00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,869 bennewitz around 1980 right so this has 978 00:47:51,289 --> 00:47:48,480 happened and what I what I'm saying is 979 00:47:53,269 --> 00:47:51,299 if there is a genuine secret space 980 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:53,279 program which I firmly believe there is 981 00:47:58,279 --> 00:47:55,410 firmly and have a lot of reasons or I'd 982 00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,289 be happy to explain this again and if 983 00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:00,660 and if we were in charge of maintaining 984 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:03,569 security on that very important program 985 00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:05,849 it would be the greatest thing wouldn't 986 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,710 it to have people going out into the 987 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:10,680 public talking smack about things that 988 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:14,010 are just so absolutely absurd that the 989 00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,049 entire subject loses all credibility and 990 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:19,140 serious research stays away from it so 991 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:22,049 it is a tactic and and we know in fact 992 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:24,329 that this is something that continues to 993 00:48:28,099 --> 00:48:24,900 this day 994 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:28,109 Edward Snowden made this very very clear 995 00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:32,010 with his releases when he talked about 996 00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:35,569 gee GCHQ that's Britain's NSA basically 997 00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:40,200 about how you know they have programs to 998 00:48:45,289 --> 00:48:42,359 control infiltrate manipulate online 999 00:48:48,799 --> 00:48:45,299 discourse and to compromise the 1000 00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:48,809 integrity of online conversations and 1001 00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:51,420 create things like fake victim posts 1002 00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,980 where you know there's alleged victims 1003 00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,720 of a target that they want to destroy 1004 00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,579 their reputation like what appears to 1005 00:49:00,760 --> 00:48:58,400 have happened to Julian Assange 1006 00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:00,770 so you have active types of 1007 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:04,820 disinformation going on today you have a 1008 00:49:08,770 --> 00:49:06,650 statement by Cass Sunstein he was a 1009 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:08,780 leading lawyer and a judge very 1010 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:10,270 prominent in the Obama administration 1011 00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:13,190 back in OAD co-authored a paper talking 1012 00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:14,870 about conspiracy theories he talked 1013 00:49:21,130 --> 00:49:18,560 about how do we deal with government the 1014 00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:21,140 government responds to these what he 1015 00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,110 would now call fake news and he just 1016 00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:25,280 said look what we got to do is create 1017 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:27,350 cognitive infiltration of extremist 1018 00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:29,210 groups so I'll leave that to you to 1019 00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:30,740 decide what that means cognitive 1020 00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:32,510 infiltration of groups that they 1021 00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:34,760 consider to be a danger that's as 1022 00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:37,310 recently as 2008 so everything's in 1023 00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:40,700 place for us to see the evidence that 1024 00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:43,190 there is very strong reason that 1025 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:44,990 intelligence agencies would seek to 1026 00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:48,650 undermine groups and organizations that 1027 00:49:54,250 --> 00:49:51,380 they deemed to be dangerous and I don't 1028 00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:54,260 again I don't know Cory goods deal here 1029 00:49:59,500 --> 00:49:57,110 okay I mean I've met him a couple of 1030 00:50:02,350 --> 00:49:59,510 times personally and I'll just say like 1031 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:02,360 we were very civil with each other I sat 1032 00:50:08,590 --> 00:50:06,170 next to him at the MUFON panel in 2017 1033 00:50:11,350 --> 00:50:08,600 which lots of people have you can see 1034 00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,360 that on YouTube and I have nothing I 1035 00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:13,520 have nothing against this man personally 1036 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:15,800 and I think he would believe me and it's 1037 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:18,890 true but what I do feel a strong 1038 00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:21,290 obligation for us to defend the 1039 00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:24,590 integrity of my field that is the field 1040 00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:28,280 of of UFOs that is legitimate and and 1041 00:50:35,650 --> 00:50:32,510 that really can't be dragged through one 1042 00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:35,660 after another of not only unproven 1043 00:50:41,530 --> 00:50:39,680 claims but unprovable claims you know I 1044 00:50:44,860 --> 00:50:41,540 mean these are literally like impossible 1045 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:44,870 to verify and and they're the kinds of 1046 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:46,850 stories and and I'm gonna let you get a 1047 00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:50,450 I'll take a breath here for you these 1048 00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:52,190 are the kinds of stories like if these 1049 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:54,560 were from your next-door neighbor you 1050 00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:56,090 know who said yeah I went to Mars 1051 00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:58,190 you'd be like oh really you went to Mars 1052 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:00,740 yes I went to Mars you might be a little 1053 00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:02,650 suspicious and you you might ask them 1054 00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:05,540 right you'd say well how long were you 1055 00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:05,870 there 1056 00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,520 another kind of incredible thing and and 1057 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:12,660 and then you'd say 1058 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:15,690 people must have missed you I mean or do 1059 00:51:19,070 --> 00:51:17,130 you have any documentation no no 1060 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:19,080 documentation well that people miss you 1061 00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:20,970 know no one missed me because at the end 1062 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:23,220 of my twenty years I came right back to 1063 00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:24,930 my house and no one knew I left left the 1064 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:27,240 house at all and you would think my 1065 00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:29,010 next-door neighbors crazy like you would 1066 00:51:36,110 --> 00:51:31,590 think that anyone would think that but 1067 00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:36,120 there's a very very odd phenomenon I 1068 00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:39,000 believe that happens in our society when 1069 00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:41,910 you get those such a person you put them 1070 00:51:48,050 --> 00:51:44,940 in front of 500 or 1000 people in hushed 1071 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:48,060 tones where they're practically revered 1072 00:51:53,810 --> 00:51:51,270 and a different mindset happens and it's 1073 00:51:56,780 --> 00:51:53,820 a kind of hypnotism and it's a very 1074 00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,790 dangerous thing where in our society no 1075 00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,460 one or not at least many people are not 1076 00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:01,980 asking for evidence some people 1077 00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:03,600 thankfully are asking and demanding 1078 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:06,560 evidence but lots of people aren't so 1079 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:11,490 you know this is now the time I think it 1080 00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:14,040 just was very miscalculated moved a 1081 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:15,900 ham-fisted move to try to prevent 1082 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:17,490 someone else from talking about this by 1083 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:19,890 cleaning Amish claiming ownership over 1084 00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,410 these phrases that have I think brought 1085 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:24,780 a lot of people together and they've 1086 00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:27,780 just said enough no more and I'm one of 1087 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:30,960 them yeah yeah yeah and let me let me 1088 00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:33,450 ask you this Richard and this is an in 1089 00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:38,310 defense of or or it's even a negative 1090 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:41,340 approach to any of this because of my 1091 00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:44,610 past guest on this show and that some 1092 00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:47,720 most our friends of yours too as well so 1093 00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:52,740 I'm not making anything definitive by 1094 00:53:00,620 --> 00:52:57,710 saying this but let's say that we have 1095 00:53:02,090 --> 00:53:00,630 you and I are sitting sitting at a 1096 00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:02,100 conference and somebody comes up and 1097 00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,200 sits down that you and I know and 1098 00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:06,540 they're telling us about their abduction 1099 00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:09,840 experience where a craft landed in their 1100 00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,580 backyard they went out they took off in 1101 00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:14,520 the craft and they were they were probed 1102 00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:19,280 and eyes were cut into whatever implants 1103 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:21,150 like that you know they had their 1104 00:53:24,110 --> 00:53:22,500 experience they come back and they sit 1105 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:24,120 down and they share this with us and and 1106 00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:24,580 you and I 1107 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:28,000 sitting there do you call BS at that 1108 00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:31,360 moment to that person's face okay let me 1109 00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:34,990 ask you and so but but hold on this is 1110 00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:37,150 this is where because I've had my own 1111 00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:42,040 experiences too and when I have my 1112 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:45,100 experiences that as crazy as they are 1113 00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:48,250 and somebody talks about going on a 1114 00:53:55,860 --> 00:53:51,480 craft or you know and and in 1115 00:53:57,450 --> 00:53:55,870 experiencing communication and a close 1116 00:54:00,930 --> 00:53:57,460 encounter of the third or fourth kind 1117 00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:00,940 how is that any difference and how we 1118 00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,430 listen to them if they don't have the 1119 00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:05,920 the evidence that everybody wants to 1120 00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:09,400 scream for how is it different with with 1121 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:13,990 Cory or Andy Boucher go or Randy Cramer 1122 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:18,130 or you know or anybody else that that 1123 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:20,680 we're gonna listen to in that I think 1124 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:22,390 it's a very good point that you raised 1125 00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:24,730 and I'm glad that you did I mean there's 1126 00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:27,700 a great deal of of nuance and gray area 1127 00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:29,380 when you talk about people who've come 1128 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:31,270 forward with their experiences and I 1129 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:34,530 just personally want folks to know if 1130 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:36,700 they hear me and sometimes they think 1131 00:54:40,830 --> 00:54:38,470 wow he's coming down very hard against 1132 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:40,840 experience there's not true like not 1133 00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:42,850 true at all I have spoken to and 1134 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:45,070 interviewed hundreds hundreds of 1135 00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:47,650 individuals who've had very very 1136 00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:51,990 troubling and interesting and amazing 1137 00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:54,340 experiences what appear to be with what 1138 00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:56,110 appear to be other beings that are not 1139 00:55:02,670 --> 00:54:59,470 human a lot of these people I would say 1140 00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:02,680 most I find credible but there's there's 1141 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:05,880 differences alright so with most of 1142 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:09,250 these people I mean I cannot prove their 1143 00:55:14,310 --> 00:55:12,850 their experiences that is true but 1144 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:14,320 that's not the same as saying that 1145 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:16,450 everyone's unprovable experiences are 1146 00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:18,250 therefore equal because I don't I don't 1147 00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:21,580 agree with that there are other ways of 1148 00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:25,480 judging it so for example someone can 1149 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:26,920 come up to me at a conference for 1150 00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:28,510 example and I don't know them from Adam 1151 00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:32,590 and they live a life pretty much in 1152 00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:34,990 anonymity and they come up to me and 1153 00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:36,560 they say look I don't really want 1154 00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:40,580 attention I respect what you do and this 1155 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:42,260 is something that happened to me X 1156 00:55:47,890 --> 00:55:44,750 number of years ago and they're not 1157 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:47,900 asking for anything all right so that 1158 00:55:53,380 --> 00:55:49,490 carries a certain amount of weight too 1159 00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:53,390 short dose and and there's just the the 1160 00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:56,030 fact of how how is this human judgment 1161 00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:58,910 work this isn't a science there's no not 1162 00:56:03,310 --> 00:56:01,400 a math equation that's in place for me 1163 00:56:05,350 --> 00:56:03,320 or for anyone I would think where they 1164 00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:05,360 say you know they have the gavel and 1165 00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:07,190 it's a real not real and so forth it 1166 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:09,400 doesn't work like that it's true however 1167 00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:12,290 in the case of these whistleblowers all 1168 00:56:18,190 --> 00:56:14,420 right so if you're gonna make a claim 1169 00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:18,200 that you went to Mars let's sing all 1170 00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:21,500 right you know it may be the case that 1171 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:23,060 you can't prove that you went to Mars 1172 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:26,270 right I can understand that so can you 1173 00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,010 give us something else can you throw us 1174 00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:31,040 a bone don't give me New Age ideology 1175 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:33,830 and platitudes please don't give me any 1176 00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:34,370 of that 1177 00:56:38,590 --> 00:56:36,100 could you please however give me 1178 00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:38,600 something that I can genuinely work with 1179 00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:41,900 that is in any remote way verifiable and 1180 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:46,420 that doesn't reek of self-glorification 1181 00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:50,690 and you know this type of thing that's 1182 00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:53,600 happened and also I really I think I 1183 00:56:57,790 --> 00:56:55,580 wasn't necessarily gonna bring this up 1184 00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:57,800 but the the core good and the project 1185 00:57:02,860 --> 00:57:00,440 Avalon server data situation is 1186 00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:02,870 something that I think is a significant 1187 00:57:10,930 --> 00:57:07,060 element here and what is a fact is that 1188 00:57:12,910 --> 00:57:10,940 you know his Corey Goode was an active 1189 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:12,920 member of project Avalon and I know bill 1190 00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:15,740 Ryan you know bill Ryan who runs Avalon 1191 00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:19,310 and has run it for years Avalon is an 1192 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:23,950 amazing forum we're very very engaged 1193 00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:26,690 individuals in this subject talk about 1194 00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:29,600 of well pretty much every element of the 1195 00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:31,790 subject Under the Sun including Mars 1196 00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:33,590 including Antarctica and all the other 1197 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:35,510 things that are out on the fringe even 1198 00:57:41,230 --> 00:57:38,690 for ufology and what they were able to 1199 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:41,240 do is because if you go to their site 1200 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:43,370 they've got your IP that's legal they're 1201 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:46,010 able to do that and they were able to do 1202 00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,930 a data search on their forum server 1203 00:57:53,530 --> 00:57:50,240 using the IP addresses that Corey Goode 1204 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:53,540 used most frequently from 2010 right up 1205 00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,090 to 2014 and actually even beyond that 1206 00:58:01,840 --> 00:57:59,119 now it wasn't until September of 2014 1207 00:58:03,609 --> 00:58:01,850 that Corey Goode was interviewed by a 1208 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:03,619 woman named Christine Anderson and 1209 00:58:08,770 --> 00:58:05,930 claimed to have sudden recent recall of 1210 00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:08,780 his memories but it's it is the fact 1211 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:11,900 that for four solid years before that he 1212 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:14,390 his file contained six thousand five 1213 00:58:21,310 --> 00:58:16,970 hundred thirty-nine entries or threads 1214 00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:21,320 basically where he from my point of view 1215 00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:23,180 look like he was data mining the project 1216 00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:25,550 Avalon server data and looking up stuff 1217 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:27,500 that was written by Michael Salim relora 1218 00:58:32,980 --> 00:58:29,450 Eisenhower myself and many other people 1219 00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:32,990 on these things and for four years you 1220 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:37,790 going into this intensely and then 1221 00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:41,210 suddenly boom you remember that you two 1222 00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:43,190 had such experiences 1223 00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:46,040 now that doesn't even by itself prove 1224 00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:49,430 that he went in and just stole everyone 1225 00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:51,140 else's information but it is very 1226 00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,140 suspicious it's very suspicious so when 1227 00:58:58,420 --> 00:58:56,000 you have that kind of a background and 1228 00:59:03,760 --> 00:58:58,430 then you go in and claim ownership over 1229 00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:03,770 those very phrases that had been in 1230 00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,710 existence for years before I mean how 1231 00:59:12,310 --> 00:59:09,200 can you not how can you not be surprised 1232 00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,320 when people kick back and just say are 1233 00:59:17,050 --> 00:59:14,720 you kidding like what is wrong with you 1234 00:59:20,050 --> 00:59:17,060 that you think you can do that so 1235 00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:20,060 there's a lot of problems here and so 1236 00:59:26,190 --> 00:59:23,720 for those reasons you know I'm I'm gonna 1237 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:26,200 call BS on what he has to say hmm and 1238 00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:29,210 and that's it I'm not the only one I 1239 00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:31,940 think there's lots of people there is a 1240 00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:35,480 genuine secret space program but it's 1241 00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:38,480 not there's no evidence that it's the 1242 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:40,280 twenty and back program and just because 1243 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:42,170 other people come out and say that they 1244 00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,330 did the same thing sorry but you know 1245 00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:46,880 what no sale it's not a that's not 1246 00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:49,430 evidence when people say oh well 1247 00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:51,020 so-and-so also says the same thing like 1248 00:59:56,109 --> 00:59:53,900 how is that evidence when people are 1249 00:59:59,170 --> 00:59:56,119 just copying and pasting variations of 1250 01:00:00,849 --> 00:59:59,180 the story if someone wanted to go into 1251 01:00:02,830 --> 01:00:00,859 this field and lay waste with 1252 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:02,840 disinformation how long would it take 1253 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:04,250 them to study up 1254 01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:06,170 on all of the themes that are in this 1255 01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:07,660 field and come up with their own 1256 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:11,030 unprovable self glorifying story well I 1257 01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:14,570 can answer that apparently a couple of 1258 01:00:19,570 --> 01:00:16,760 years on a project Avalon and you go to 1259 01:00:21,339 --> 01:00:19,580 school and you get a degree so there you 1260 01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:21,349 go let's take a break right here Richard 1261 01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:23,060 and we'll pick up right where we left 1262 01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,180 off when we come back and I've got I've 1263 01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:27,680 got something else Richard should 1264 01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:29,990 trademark what that is I'll tell you 1265 01:00:35,830 --> 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01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:05,790 [Music] 1363 01:05:21,380 --> 01:05:06,110 [Applause] 1364 01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:21,390 [Music] 1365 01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:24,299 welcome back bait the black I am your 1366 01:05:33,490 --> 01:05:30,520 host of a church call button 1367 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:33,500 [Music] 1368 01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:36,890 I guess tonight Richard Dolan and I had 1369 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:39,950 to have my coffee refilled okay so now 1370 01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:42,170 we're back in the saddle and we're gonna 1371 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:44,110 pick up right where we left off and 1372 01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:47,090 Richard yes 1373 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:51,260 breakaway civilization shouldn't you 1374 01:05:56,860 --> 01:05:54,730 trademark that no I don't think so 1375 01:05:59,640 --> 01:05:56,870 absolutely I don't think so it was an 1376 01:06:02,800 --> 01:05:59,650 interesting concept that I coined and 1377 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:02,810 developed but here's the thing you know 1378 01:06:06,130 --> 01:06:04,610 what other people have taken that idea 1379 01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,140 and made some very very interesting 1380 01:06:09,490 --> 01:06:08,000 conceptual breakthroughs on their own 1381 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:09,500 totally independent of me 1382 01:06:13,330 --> 01:06:11,930 my friend and colleague Joseph P Ferrell 1383 01:06:15,550 --> 01:06:13,340 has done that he's written an entire 1384 01:06:18,790 --> 01:06:15,560 book with breakaway civilization in the 1385 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:18,800 title I my attitude is excellent good 1386 01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:19,850 good for Joseph 1387 01:06:24,790 --> 01:06:22,220 okay what about because I don't own the 1388 01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:24,800 idea I mean I I develop the idea but I 1389 01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:26,660 don't own it like it's it's not my 1390 01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:27,200 property 1391 01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:30,440 okay well then other people come along 1392 01:06:34,690 --> 01:06:32,780 and do better work or more sophisticated 1393 01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:34,700 work with it then thank goodness like 1394 01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:38,480 that's what we want okay well at the 1395 01:06:42,580 --> 01:06:40,760 next contact in the desert I'm gonna let 1396 01:06:45,940 --> 01:06:42,590 you know our booths are next to each 1397 01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:45,950 other and at our booth I am going to be 1398 01:07:00,580 --> 01:06:47,990 selling breakaway civilization t-shirts 1399 01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,590 I hope you may go let's let's kind of 1400 01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:02,960 stay on this subject for a second what 1401 01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:04,700 is I'm going to talk about 1402 01:07:11,110 --> 01:07:09,080 whistleblowers and when a whistleblower 1403 01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:11,120 comes forward before I get to the 1404 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:13,310 question they need to be feel 1405 01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:15,890 comfortable that they can and they can 1406 01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:18,770 speak open and and and go forward with 1407 01:07:23,290 --> 01:07:20,930 whatever it is that they're gonna blow 1408 01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:23,300 the whistle on right and I will 1409 01:07:28,860 --> 01:07:25,790 certainly say that that that cease and 1410 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:28,870 desist letter from Corey's attorney 1411 01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:32,450 certainly is going to stifle of anybody 1412 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:34,310 else that would be thinking about coming 1413 01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:35,810 forward because they're gonna get some 1414 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:37,910 kind of crazy cease and desist letter 1415 01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:40,130 that doesn't have any merit to it but 1416 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:42,760 yes they're afraid of that kind of stuff 1417 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:45,770 right it's a form of intimidation it's a 1418 01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:46,930 form of intimidate 1419 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:49,430 there's no legal merit to it as you just 1420 01:07:55,390 --> 01:07:52,010 said it's it's vacuous from a legal 1421 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:55,400 point of view we've had a number of back 1422 01:08:01,210 --> 01:07:57,770 behind-the-scenes discussions about this 1423 01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:01,220 and there's just no way but but it is a 1424 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:03,500 form of intimidation and I'm glad you 1425 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:06,170 know I don't know Jason rice and nor do 1426 01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:07,970 I really have an opinion at this point 1427 01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:10,310 on the validity of his story I don't but 1428 01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:12,950 I am glad that he wasn't intimidated by 1429 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:15,830 it and that he spoke about it the way 1430 01:08:19,750 --> 01:08:18,170 that he did publicly and for that matter 1431 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:19,760 I would just say I think I think what he 1432 01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:22,400 wrote was very reasoned and and very 1433 01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:25,820 well put together the definition of a 1434 01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:28,490 whistleblower coming from your 1435 01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:31,660 perspective what what is that definition 1436 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:34,040 yeah a whistleblower first of all 1437 01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:35,450 there's got to be someone you have to 1438 01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,580 know who they are like you've got to be 1439 01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,440 able to have some ability to confirm 1440 01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:41,359 that they are who they say they are if 1441 01:08:45,550 --> 01:08:42,710 they can't do that then they don't 1442 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:45,560 qualify you know so like as I like to 1443 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:48,410 say William Binney formerly of the NSA 1444 01:08:53,860 --> 01:08:51,250 is a whistleblower and in my view a hero 1445 01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,870 double-amputee who's man who created a 1446 01:08:58,660 --> 01:08:56,960 lot of the code that the NSA used to spy 1447 01:09:01,300 --> 01:08:58,670 illegally on the American public and 1448 01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:01,310 then went public about it and much to 1449 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:04,370 his own risk you know there's a lot of 1450 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:06,050 other whistleblowers like that I would 1451 01:09:11,170 --> 01:09:08,330 say I would put Gary McKinnon in the UFO 1452 01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:11,180 field in such a category we know who 1453 01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:14,960 Gary is he wasn't a government insider 1454 01:09:19,330 --> 01:09:17,150 but he was someone who gained access to 1455 01:09:22,210 --> 01:09:19,340 government information and put what 1456 01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:22,220 information that he could out there we 1457 01:09:27,490 --> 01:09:25,190 can confirm his identity we I cannot 1458 01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:27,500 confirm the first thing about Corey 1459 01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:30,470 goods activities in the so-called secret 1460 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:35,510 space program it's just not there so so 1461 01:09:44,260 --> 01:09:41,570 no like he doesn't count and okay what 1462 01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,270 about Jason rice is he is by your 1463 01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:46,880 definition is he in that category is he 1464 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:49,900 a whistleblower not yet not for me no 1465 01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:55,010 mal Smith no no absolutely not okay even 1466 01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:56,360 Greer's bodyguard no 1467 01:10:03,500 --> 01:09:58,860 [Laughter] 1468 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:03,510 but a bump by the veal Nazi procedures 1469 01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:05,890 Richard Richard's going to be here all 1470 01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:09,250 week everybody try the veal he's uh they 1471 01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:13,510 the thing is when it is is whistleblower 1472 01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:17,680 for you a little bit too easily used 1473 01:10:26,250 --> 01:10:21,280 right and and it does the classification 1474 01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:26,260 right just a bit around the edges right 1475 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:30,580 is it is is it is it a term is it a 1476 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:34,570 title that should be given to you right 1477 01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:36,490 you don't give yourself the title of 1478 01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:40,240 whistleblower yeah I would think that in 1479 01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:42,280 a good universe that would be the case 1480 01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:45,550 as well now that you mentioned that look 1481 01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:47,980 I mean you know the phrase whistleblower 1482 01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,630 has been bandied about with like so that 1483 01:10:56,190 --> 01:10:54,400 it's almost meaningless it's like anyone 1484 01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:56,200 who's got a good campfire story to tell 1485 01:11:00,720 --> 01:10:59,260 is now the latest whistleblower I mean 1486 01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:00,730 you know we need a little bit more than 1487 01:11:06,090 --> 01:11:03,670 this right I mean do we have no self 1488 01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,100 respect for ourselves in this discipline 1489 01:11:11,790 --> 01:11:09,280 that we just take anyone who's got the 1490 01:11:14,220 --> 01:11:11,800 the latest greatest crazy story that can 1491 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:14,230 never be proven that is just utter it 1492 01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:16,810 like out of a Hollywood movie most of 1493 01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:19,390 these I mean it's reality truly that 1494 01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,500 black and white like the good the good 1495 01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,120 you know versus the absolute evil 1496 01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:27,280 entities over here and the white hats 1497 01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:29,020 and the black hats like does anyone 1498 01:11:34,020 --> 01:11:31,720 honestly think reality is that utterly 1499 01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:34,030 simplistic I mean a sweetie getting a 1500 01:11:41,730 --> 01:11:38,100 bad Hollywood b-movie reality I would 1501 01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:41,740 it's not that way the world is doesn't 1502 01:11:46,710 --> 01:11:44,590 break down like that so I mean is it 1503 01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:46,720 possible that there could be some truth 1504 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:48,760 in some of the claims of these people 1505 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:50,410 yes the answer is yes in the case of 1506 01:11:55,050 --> 01:11:52,570 Corey Goode he was when you go data 1507 01:11:56,610 --> 01:11:55,060 mining through the Avalon site yes 1508 01:12:00,290 --> 01:11:56,620 you're going to find information 1509 01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:00,300 that's genuine of course you will and 1510 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:04,290 could there be truth and you know is it 1511 01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:07,210 marginally possible that some of these 1512 01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:09,700 whistleblowers have been mine job mind 1513 01:12:13,380 --> 01:12:10,750 screwed 1514 01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:13,390 in such a way that they've been made 1515 01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:16,060 useless for the rest of the world made 1516 01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,360 to look ridiculous so that anything that 1517 01:12:22,290 --> 01:12:21,520 they say is just going to be dismissed 1518 01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:22,300 out of hand 1519 01:12:25,530 --> 01:12:25,000 I mean I've wondered this but of course 1520 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:25,540 I don't 1521 01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:29,110 machine so I can't go back and find out 1522 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:30,670 what they were actually doing back in 1523 01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:32,650 the day and be I'm not a mind reader all 1524 01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:34,270 right so I don't have I don't have these 1525 01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:37,180 capability so all I can do is use the 1526 01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:38,830 best tools at my disposal which are 1527 01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:41,230 evidence that I can acquire and as much 1528 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:43,540 common sense and insight as I'm able to 1529 01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:45,370 bring to bear which admittedly is is 1530 01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:47,160 limited because I'm just a human being 1531 01:12:53,310 --> 01:12:50,110 and all we can do is our best but when 1532 01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:53,320 we just throw out all ability and all 1533 01:12:58,710 --> 01:12:56,560 willingness to hold claims to certain 1534 01:13:01,050 --> 01:12:58,720 types of evidentiary standards and like 1535 01:13:04,110 --> 01:13:01,060 why are we bothering then at all why 1536 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:04,120 bother when I broke into the UFO field 1537 01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:06,520 over 20 years ago I did so because I 1538 01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:08,440 believe that there was a case an 1539 01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:11,320 evidentiary case that could be made for 1540 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:13,780 the reality of this ridiculed and 1541 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:17,770 marginalized phenomenon and I very 1542 01:13:23,310 --> 01:13:20,410 strongly believe that to this day so 1543 01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:23,320 it's all evidence-based like what would 1544 01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,230 it be for me to write a bunch of 1545 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:27,840 histories where there's not a single 1546 01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:30,250 piece of evidence that I can document 1547 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:32,110 and I just tell people trust me this is 1548 01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:34,570 true like that's not that doesn't help 1549 01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:37,390 so the only way that we can help move 1550 01:13:43,230 --> 01:13:41,500 this field forward in in a real way not 1551 01:13:46,230 --> 01:13:43,240 in a fantasy way is by being 1552 01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:46,240 evidence-based and that's difficult like 1553 01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:48,070 you know in the the old TV show what was 1554 01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:50,710 at law-and-order where they would they 1555 01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:52,150 would have a case that they knew that 1556 01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:54,820 this so this guy did the crime and then 1557 01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,990 the defense attorney would say well 1558 01:14:00,750 --> 01:13:58,000 that's not admissible jack you know and 1559 01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,760 they would do their best to try to get 1560 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:03,040 admissible evidence that's our world 1561 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:06,460 like you can't just toss out anything 1562 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:09,370 because you think it sounds right you 1563 01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:11,350 know we have rules of evidence we have 1564 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:14,380 we ought to have standards that we apply 1565 01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:18,010 so that we have a common language of how 1566 01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:19,560 to move forward in this field 1567 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:23,380 anyone can make a claim and but not 1568 01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:24,610 everyone can back that 1569 01:14:29,729 --> 01:14:26,440 came up with evidence and and if you 1570 01:14:33,090 --> 01:14:29,739 can't then no in the case of genuine 1571 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:33,100 whistleblowers they're able to provide 1572 01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:38,170 tangible actual evidence and departments 1573 01:14:44,010 --> 01:14:40,210 that other journalists and investigators 1574 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:44,020 can then dig into and find they can find 1575 01:14:48,209 --> 01:14:46,630 it Richard what a minute then you gotta 1576 01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:48,219 wonder what's going on here yeah and 1577 01:14:54,629 --> 01:14:51,190 this is okay and this is a very 1578 01:14:58,379 --> 01:14:54,639 fascinating aspect of this which is you 1579 01:15:01,109 --> 01:14:58,389 and I you know we're at a conference 1580 01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:01,119 pick one it doesn't matter and and I 1581 01:15:07,740 --> 01:15:04,690 introduced you know Corey there's 500 1582 01:15:10,890 --> 01:15:07,750 600 700 people there for Corey the line 1583 01:15:14,879 --> 01:15:10,900 goes down the hall right and then across 1584 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:14,889 the hall there is somebody else that is 1585 01:15:22,410 --> 01:15:17,860 speaking about their UFO research across 1586 01:15:25,859 --> 01:15:22,420 the hall to 20 people right and here you 1587 01:15:29,220 --> 01:15:25,869 are watching me introduce you're there 1588 01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:29,230 right and you watch me do this 1589 01:15:36,450 --> 01:15:32,590 introduction you have this this packed 1590 01:15:39,959 --> 01:15:36,460 room that is there resonating with Corey 1591 01:15:41,879 --> 01:15:39,969 but yet across the hall there are 20 1592 01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:41,889 people that are listening to somebody 1593 01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:45,070 else's research that is just equally as 1594 01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:49,989 important but why do we have this this 1595 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:52,840 this difference this it is a whole 1596 01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:55,630 Erised I I don't I don't understand it 1597 01:16:01,379 --> 01:15:58,170 it's it's I do its market and demand so 1598 01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:01,389 there are certain markets that are very 1599 01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:03,310 very hungry for certain types of 1600 01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,350 information and there's always going to 1601 01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:07,360 be someone willing to fill that market 1602 01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:11,110 need the there's a great hunger among 1603 01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:13,750 many people who are interested in the 1604 01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:17,500 UFO subject for solid answers and for 1605 01:16:21,689 --> 01:16:20,230 fascinating insider claims and like yeah 1606 01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,699 because we all know that there's secrecy 1607 01:16:25,919 --> 01:16:24,159 we all know there's a cover-up and so 1608 01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:25,929 there's lots of people out there who 1609 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:29,230 hunger for that kind of certainty they 1610 01:16:33,020 --> 01:16:30,610 want that and then when somebody comes 1611 01:16:35,729 --> 01:16:33,030 along and offering that certainty or 1612 01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:35,739 seemingly offering that certainty yes 1613 01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:37,630 absolutely many people will gravitate to 1614 01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:38,320 it 1615 01:16:42,540 --> 01:16:39,700 and here's the thing I don't even 1616 01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:42,550 begrudge someone if they wanted if they 1617 01:16:47,130 --> 01:16:44,440 speak to a packed house a thousand 1618 01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:47,140 people and more that that is fine like 1619 01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:50,640 I'm a great believer in free enterprise 1620 01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:52,630 capitalistic like make your money the 1621 01:16:55,530 --> 01:16:53,830 way you want to make your money like I 1622 01:16:59,970 --> 01:16:55,540 absolutely am a believer in that I think 1623 01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:59,980 it's made this Western civilization 1624 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:02,080 such a powerhouse and a fountain of 1625 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:04,090 creativity and innovation so I think 1626 01:17:07,890 --> 01:17:06,130 it's wonderful and even if someone wants 1627 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:07,900 to make their money in less an ethical 1628 01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:09,760 ways well if they're not actually 1629 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:12,760 actively harming someone else well let 1630 01:17:21,390 --> 01:17:16,210 the buyer beware but what I would say is 1631 01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:21,400 that in in an area where I am trying and 1632 01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:26,520 other people are trying to help this 1633 01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:29,830 marginalized important subject gain 1634 01:17:34,110 --> 01:17:31,720 credibility so that we can have an 1635 01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:34,120 intelligent public conversation about it 1636 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:38,110 which we desperately need all right then 1637 01:17:44,190 --> 01:17:41,890 yes I'm I too I'm allowed to state my 1638 01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:44,200 issues and my problems with that type of 1639 01:17:50,190 --> 01:17:47,260 presentation and that's really all that 1640 01:17:51,630 --> 01:17:50,200 it is if these types of arguments were 1641 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:51,640 simply on the margin and no one was 1642 01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:53,050 listening well I wouldn't care either it 1643 01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:54,580 was like well there's always cranks out 1644 01:17:59,340 --> 01:17:57,370 there but this has become actually a 1645 01:18:01,590 --> 01:17:59,350 very very significant part of the UFO 1646 01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:01,600 field and I just want to say this to you 1647 01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:03,220 like you've often talked about you know 1648 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:06,070 the need for unity in the UFO community 1649 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:08,890 and I understand that but can you or 1650 01:18:14,190 --> 01:18:11,250 anyone think of anything more disruptive 1651 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:14,200 to the UFO community than the intrusion 1652 01:18:19,530 --> 01:18:15,970 of Corey Goode and his claims over the 1653 01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:19,540 past four years like I can't I cannot 1654 01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:21,340 think of a single thing that has 1655 01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:23,590 actually been more divisive more 1656 01:18:31,770 --> 01:18:28,660 disruptive more distracting than that so 1657 01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:31,780 so there's a problem here there's a 1658 01:18:40,380 --> 01:18:35,230 problem in that it's it is successfully 1659 01:18:42,270 --> 01:18:40,390 caused such a chasm and and you know 1660 01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:42,280 there are other wastes of time that 1661 01:18:46,770 --> 01:18:44,140 we've had in this field you know ramp up 1662 01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:46,780 to the ascension of 2012 was just one 1663 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:49,780 big huge embarrassment for this field I 1664 01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:51,650 mean there were people I actually met 1665 01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,480 someone at that time in the ramp up to 1666 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:56,000 2012 who stopped paying her either a 1667 01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,530 rent or her mortgage or something like 1668 01:19:00,729 --> 01:18:58,880 that because she said well when it all 1669 01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,739 happens it won't matter I'm like you're 1670 01:19:03,970 --> 01:19:02,480 crazy you're deluded 1671 01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:03,980 I don't know what happened to her 1672 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:06,560 probably out on the streets and then you 1673 01:19:10,899 --> 01:19:08,690 know the whole comet Elenin of 2011 what 1674 01:19:14,410 --> 01:19:10,909 a waste of time that was that was 1675 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:14,420 supposed to be a spaceship no and on and 1676 01:19:19,899 --> 01:19:17,570 on so our field has always been filled 1677 01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:19,909 with these types of distractions and 1678 01:19:24,370 --> 01:19:22,640 that's unfortunate and maybe that's just 1679 01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:24,380 how it's always going to be but that 1680 01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:25,520 doesn't mean that we have to just sit 1681 01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:26,960 down and say oh well here's another one 1682 01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:31,190 so we can speak up we can just say not 1683 01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,909 this time 1684 01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:34,400 this is going on too long enough it will 1685 01:19:41,709 --> 01:19:38,840 it okay so let me let's discuss let's 1686 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:41,719 cite a very specific a specific example 1687 01:19:50,590 --> 01:19:45,290 of this where I think that the community 1688 01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:50,600 has just moved on billy meier we have a 1689 01:19:57,630 --> 01:19:54,320 situation here where a gazillion books 1690 01:20:01,330 --> 01:19:57,640 have been sold a gazillion videos I 1691 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:01,340 would say that largely and I'm just 1692 01:20:05,770 --> 01:20:03,290 speaking about the community a large 1693 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:05,780 amount of of it has been completely 1694 01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:08,690 debunked yet he lives in a pretty nice 1695 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:12,050 house in Switzerland he's probably got a 1696 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:16,010 pretty good money flow multiple areas 1697 01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:19,250 that are coming in but the community has 1698 01:20:27,070 --> 01:20:24,560 has moved on and the subject it's just 1699 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:27,080 it's just like a big whatever thing when 1700 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:30,409 it when it comes to billy meier is that 1701 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:32,330 is that the same thing that would happen 1702 01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:34,610 over and over and look at you know we 1703 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:37,040 can bring up William Moore or or other 1704 01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:39,530 things that have very dark things in our 1705 01:20:48,459 --> 01:20:45,110 past you know about the the Roswell 1706 01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:48,469 slides and in that fiasco and in Mexico 1707 01:20:55,450 --> 01:20:52,190 City is this community able to just 1708 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:55,460 rebound and move on and and next year 1709 01:20:59,919 --> 01:20:57,050 all of this is past tense 1710 01:21:03,270 --> 01:20:59,929 yes no we can always move on the the 1711 01:21:05,410 --> 01:21:03,280 fortunate thing is that the UFO subject 1712 01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:05,420 remains the great constant 1713 01:21:09,250 --> 01:21:06,800 and it's the thing that we can all come 1714 01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:09,260 back to the things that you mentioned 1715 01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:12,320 want one of which I was associated with 1716 01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,670 all Roswell slide debacle you know 1717 01:21:19,660 --> 01:21:18,080 they're all different like the billy 1718 01:21:21,130 --> 01:21:19,670 meier things a little different and some 1719 01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:21,140 of these others and the william moore 1720 01:21:26,290 --> 01:21:23,240 thing or a little different but they're 1721 01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,300 all they were various crises some big 1722 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:29,600 some little that the UFO research 1723 01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:33,530 community faced and actually it's really 1724 01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:35,210 true that in every one of those cases 1725 01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:37,040 there were the apocalypse people who 1726 01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:40,520 said this is the end of ufology and you 1727 01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:42,170 know they're saying it now - i think 1728 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:44,360 some of them with corey good and of 1729 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:46,250 course it's not the end of ufology as 1730 01:21:52,770 --> 01:21:48,650 long as there's a phenomenon for us to 1731 01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:52,780 study and to keep coming back to then 1732 01:21:57,490 --> 01:21:55,430 then we'll be fine you know the thing is 1733 01:21:58,990 --> 01:21:57,500 it's like like in a boxing match where 1734 01:22:00,700 --> 01:21:59,000 you get knocked down under the canvas a 1735 01:22:04,030 --> 01:22:00,710 few times you you got to keep getting 1736 01:22:06,940 --> 01:22:04,040 back up and come back at it again that's 1737 01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:06,950 what this is all about so I don't think 1738 01:22:12,490 --> 01:22:08,960 this is a disaster I don't think it's 1739 01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:12,500 something that we as a community can't 1740 01:22:19,780 --> 01:22:15,880 recover from no absolutely not in fact 1741 01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:19,790 most people all serious researchers are 1742 01:22:23,530 --> 01:22:21,170 continuing and they're doing their work 1743 01:22:25,780 --> 01:22:23,540 just like they've always done so that's 1744 01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:25,790 never changed there's lots of people out 1745 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:28,000 there doing very very excellent 1746 01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:30,170 investigative work research and so on 1747 01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:32,840 and continuing to make progress in this 1748 01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:35,110 field so that's the good thing and 1749 01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:37,640 that's where we're I think you know 1750 01:22:43,210 --> 01:22:40,540 we're all best served but the 1751 01:22:45,550 --> 01:22:43,220 emotionally unsatisfying aspect of that 1752 01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:45,560 at least for some people is that those 1753 01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:47,390 answers are not always quite as 1754 01:22:53,650 --> 01:22:49,670 definitive as the answers that are 1755 01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:53,660 provided by people who claim that 1756 01:22:59,370 --> 01:22:56,960 they've had these incredible you know 1757 01:23:03,760 --> 01:22:59,380 Hollywood adventures on other planets 1758 01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,770 the the question of proof which you 1759 01:23:08,410 --> 01:23:06,080 brought up earlier is something that we 1760 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:08,420 are always looking for you know what is 1761 01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:17,560 yeah man proof from people coming up 1762 01:23:20,540 --> 01:23:18,480 coming to 1763 01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:20,550 with that with claims I mean sometimes 1764 01:23:24,979 --> 01:23:22,440 that's not realistic but at least 1765 01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:24,989 evidence okay so with that you got to 1766 01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:26,489 work with me yeah let's break it down a 1767 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:28,770 little bit I want to pick your brain 1768 01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:30,930 when when you're dealing with an 1769 01:23:37,670 --> 01:23:35,550 experiencer what what are you looking 1770 01:23:42,260 --> 01:23:37,680 for there as far as evidence and proof 1771 01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:42,270 when it's just an experience to be 1772 01:23:48,740 --> 01:23:45,210 honest with you if an experiencer comes 1773 01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:48,750 up to me my I just met with someone I 1774 01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:50,280 just met with an experience there 1775 01:23:56,990 --> 01:23:54,060 locally yesterday madness man for the 1776 01:23:59,840 --> 01:23:57,000 first time and I was introduced to him 1777 01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,850 we had a nice conversation and as I do 1778 01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:02,400 with lots of folks I listen as carefully 1779 01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:04,440 as I'm able to which is I listen to this 1780 01:24:10,940 --> 01:24:07,920 man very carefully you size people up 1781 01:24:12,650 --> 01:24:10,950 you get character references which I had 1782 01:24:15,979 --> 01:24:12,660 I have one for this gentleman in 1783 01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:15,989 particular you learn everything you can 1784 01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:18,630 about their life you and you do your 1785 01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,960 best to assess it and that's it you know 1786 01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:23,280 with most of these people who will come 1787 01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:25,739 to me with experiences I I don't know 1788 01:24:30,380 --> 01:24:28,710 that I can say for sure that someone's 1789 01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:30,390 telling me the truth or someone's lying 1790 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:34,140 to me you know it's a matter of degree I 1791 01:24:38,260 --> 01:24:36,570 can't prove that some that this man that 1792 01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:38,270 I met yesterday for instance is 1793 01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:40,920 absolutely honest maybe maybe he's a 1794 01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,150 brilliant psychopathic liar III don't 1795 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:47,580 think so but I suppose any of these 1796 01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:50,730 things are possible so when I make a 1797 01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:53,250 conclusion about someone's claims 1798 01:24:58,220 --> 01:24:56,100 they're usually provisional and always 1799 01:25:00,440 --> 01:24:58,230 subject to revision based on new 1800 01:25:03,380 --> 01:25:00,450 information that comes my way and that's 1801 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:03,390 the best I can do the we're gonna head 1802 01:25:08,590 --> 01:25:05,370 towards a break here but there's there's 1803 01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:08,600 another part of the experience or 1804 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:12,480 abductee phenomenon that has completely 1805 01:25:17,150 --> 01:25:14,730 intrigued me and it's weird how kind of 1806 01:25:19,729 --> 01:25:17,160 overlaps into other aspects of the 1807 01:25:23,540 --> 01:25:19,739 secret space program and si pees and 1808 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:23,550 whatnot which is these abductees that 1809 01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:25,770 talk about going to an underground 1810 01:25:31,370 --> 01:25:29,400 facility there are many out there that 1811 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:31,380 share these sentient where they show up 1812 01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:31,730 there 1813 01:25:37,390 --> 01:25:35,210 underground and they see US military 1814 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:37,400 personnel in uniform they'll see a 1815 01:25:41,229 --> 01:25:39,410 mantis being they'll see a tall Nordic 1816 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:41,239 they'll see some greys at you know 1817 01:25:46,090 --> 01:25:43,610 operating some gear and maybe 1818 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:46,100 instructions in classrooms and very 1819 01:25:51,850 --> 01:25:49,130 elaborate you know stories now what do 1820 01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:51,860 we do with that when it is repeated over 1821 01:25:58,420 --> 01:25:56,450 and over again yes I mean I I'm of the 1822 01:26:02,620 --> 01:25:58,430 opinion that when you get that type of 1823 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:02,630 story from so many parts of the the data 1824 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:05,090 spectrum that they'll come in and have 1825 01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:08,810 this story whether it's in 1969 or 1975 1826 01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:16,040 or 1972 or 1988 or 1989 2017 right when 1827 01:26:23,140 --> 01:26:18,230 they when they continually come and and 1828 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:23,150 if we can be careful with at least doing 1829 01:26:28,750 --> 01:26:26,410 our our level best with trying to 1830 01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:28,760 legitimately get that information out of 1831 01:26:35,140 --> 01:26:32,450 an individual then yes I think and there 1832 01:26:36,910 --> 01:26:35,150 is a very consistent story that a lot of 1833 01:26:39,670 --> 01:26:36,920 these folks are saying whether it's 1834 01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:39,680 about military abductions or abductions 1835 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:42,980 by nonhumans whether aliens or alien 1836 01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:45,410 human hybrids and the like so there's a 1837 01:26:52,090 --> 01:26:48,530 lot of consistency so for these types of 1838 01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:52,100 stories yes I give a very high level of 1839 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:54,260 credibility to them credence doesn't 1840 01:26:59,050 --> 01:26:56,090 mean that I know for an absolute fact I 1841 01:27:02,920 --> 01:26:59,060 don't say a 100% but I definitely give 1842 01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:02,930 them my probability but when a alleged 1843 01:27:10,570 --> 01:27:07,750 whistleblower comes at us and provides a 1844 01:27:15,130 --> 01:27:10,580 Hollywood script essentially so really 1845 01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:15,140 what these are you know garnished with 1846 01:27:20,710 --> 01:27:18,290 New Age philosophy and ideology that is 1847 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:20,720 clearly designed for a particular kind 1848 01:27:27,310 --> 01:27:23,930 of market then no I mean I will be very 1849 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:27,320 suspicious of that yes and why is it and 1850 01:27:33,670 --> 01:27:29,330 where we need to take a break here but 1851 01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:33,680 the the New Age aspect of this and 1852 01:27:39,729 --> 01:27:36,470 especially as of late has been inter 1853 01:27:42,490 --> 01:27:39,739 woven into what should be not only a 1854 01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:42,500 terrifying experience but also the 1855 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:44,820 killing over the lien 1856 01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:47,130 slave men and so forth and then you have 1857 01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:50,940 this this new-age dialogue that is 1858 01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,440 interwoven into it yeah why why is that 1859 01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:58,080 is it is it to grow the audience I mean 1860 01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:01,380 the way well we should continue this for 1861 01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:02,760 the next segment because it's a very 1862 01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:05,130 important subject the New Age influence 1863 01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,020 in ufology has had a very damaging 1864 01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:09,360 effect it's it's not that it's 1865 01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:12,030 there's no legitimacy to understanding 1866 01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:13,710 things like telepathy and consciousness 1867 01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:16,950 in the UFO field or even things like 1868 01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:19,280 space-time reality and quantum physics 1869 01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:21,780 no we can explore all of that because 1870 01:28:27,230 --> 01:28:24,600 they're important but the philosophy the 1871 01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:27,240 ideology which we collectively called 1872 01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:30,480 New Age ideology this has been a very 1873 01:28:36,740 --> 01:28:33,690 damaging effect to UFO research and the 1874 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:36,750 UFO community and and it's really part 1875 01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:38,490 of the reason why we have these 1876 01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:40,980 whistleblowers because in other words 1877 01:28:46,130 --> 01:28:42,780 with the New Age ideology again there's 1878 01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:46,140 no emphasis on evidence it's all a lot 1879 01:28:50,210 --> 01:28:47,490 of it comes out of what you feel in your 1880 01:28:51,820 --> 01:28:50,220 heart chakra you know or and I don't 1881 01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:51,830 mean to laugh at someone's belief but 1882 01:28:57,170 --> 01:28:54,420 when you're basing your belief on 1883 01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:57,180 feeling and intuition rather than 1884 01:29:02,600 --> 01:28:59,880 evidence then you're going down a very 1885 01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,610 dangerous road where anything is 1886 01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:04,320 possible and you don't need to back it 1887 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:06,450 up and then you get these whistleblowers 1888 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:09,090 who follow through that you know there's 1889 01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:12,210 no evidence but it feels right and that 1890 01:29:17,180 --> 01:29:14,580 is the worst way to go into this subject 1891 01:29:18,710 --> 01:29:17,190 is based on your feelings you got to go 1892 01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,720 on evidence you got it you got to be an 1893 01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:21,480 investigator what's let's pick this up 1894 01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:23,070 we're leaving off our guest tonight 1895 01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:26,730 Richard bleeping Dolan I'm allegedly 1896 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:28,440 trademarked I'll be right back after 1897 01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,570 this short break this is fade to black 1898 01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:32,320 I'm yours immature stay with us 1899 01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:51,359 [Music] 1900 01:29:55,330 --> 01:29:53,449 this is fade to black 1901 01:29:59,020 --> 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holds the lucky pony record for the best 1984 01:33:46,420 --> 01:33:43,930 astrological chart since 1963 true story 1985 01:33:48,010 --> 01:33:46,430 this is Micah Hank's of a grey lien 1986 01:33:50,350 --> 01:33:48,020 report and you're listening to Jimmy 1987 01:33:52,130 --> 01:33:50,360 church on fade to black across the globe 1988 01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:52,140 on the GameChanger radio net 1989 01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:54,600 and the one and only kgr a radio the 1990 01:33:59,620 --> 01:33:55,610 planet 1991 01:33:59,940 --> 01:33:59,630 [Music] 1992 01:34:15,480 --> 01:33:59,950 [Applause] 1993 01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:15,490 [Music] 1994 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:17,930 welcome back fade to black I am their 1995 01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:21,290 host Jimmy Church sorry about repeating 1996 01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:23,120 that commercial break but you know 1997 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:25,490 things like that happened it's live 1998 01:34:30,910 --> 01:34:27,650 radio our guest tonight Richard bleep 1999 01:34:32,710 --> 01:34:30,920 and Dolan very open and frank 2000 01:34:35,170 --> 01:34:32,720 conversation about what's going on right 2001 01:34:36,930 --> 01:34:35,180 now in our UFO community and Richard 2002 01:34:40,420 --> 01:34:36,940 check this out 2003 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:40,430 speaking of New Age I'm at a I'm at a 2004 01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:42,010 private party 2005 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:44,690 you know nice big home up in the hills 2006 01:34:51,310 --> 01:34:49,370 all right new agey group there and I'm 2007 01:34:53,980 --> 01:34:51,320 in the kitchen around the island and 2008 01:34:57,850 --> 01:34:53,990 there's I'm gonna say there's 25 people 2009 01:34:59,860 --> 01:34:57,860 packed into this kitchen and somebody 2010 01:35:02,140 --> 01:34:59,870 turns to me I don't know anybody there 2011 01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:02,150 by the way and somebody turns to B it 2012 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:04,490 says so what do you do so now I'm a 2013 01:35:11,740 --> 01:35:08,930 radio host oh really where and I said 2014 01:35:13,180 --> 01:35:11,750 well fade to black and I also do the 2015 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:13,190 weekend stuff over at a coast-to-coast 2016 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:15,970 am and I get this blank look 2017 01:35:24,310 --> 01:35:21,050 and what does coast to coast am and and 2018 01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:24,320 I and I exactly right right so I turned 2019 01:35:30,940 --> 01:35:26,630 to everybody in the kitchen read as my 2020 01:35:35,260 --> 01:35:30,950 witness it just goes so who here listens 2021 01:35:40,060 --> 01:35:35,270 to coast to coast nobody right in the 2022 01:35:42,130 --> 01:35:40,070 room and now in a weird way it's very 2023 01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:42,140 cool I don't have to explain myself I 2024 01:35:46,150 --> 01:35:44,030 don't have to talk about 52 black how do 2025 01:35:48,370 --> 01:35:46,160 I have to talk about any I don't have to 2026 01:35:52,510 --> 01:35:48,380 take any questions right I have to field 2027 01:35:57,970 --> 01:35:52,520 anything but it was pretty surprising to 2028 01:36:04,330 --> 01:35:57,980 me to have a roomful of New Age crystal 2029 01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:04,340 bearing Awakening enlightened vegans the 2030 01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:08,150 real deal to nobody listen to coast to 2031 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:10,910 coast now isn't that interesting and 2032 01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:14,330 I've gone to conferences where I've got 2033 01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:17,120 to you know these new-age events where 2034 01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:22,370 there is an UFO subject anywhere and and 2035 01:36:28,449 --> 01:36:25,600 now it seems like it's it's trying to 2036 01:36:31,149 --> 01:36:28,459 bleed into each other 2037 01:36:34,779 --> 01:36:31,159 and I I find it a fascinating thing oh 2038 01:36:36,489 --> 01:36:34,789 by the way Canada ran out of weed I just 2039 01:36:38,169 --> 01:36:36,499 wanted to let you know you know I know 2040 01:36:40,209 --> 01:36:38,179 you're close to the border and they just 2041 01:36:42,459 --> 01:36:40,219 legalized and I know you're you know 2042 01:36:50,319 --> 01:36:42,469 your days you're a dual citizen yeah 2043 01:36:53,469 --> 01:36:50,329 they ran out of weed that Canada a cease 2044 01:36:56,140 --> 01:36:53,479 mother like the sweetest Canadian lady 2045 01:37:03,520 --> 01:36:56,150 you'll ever meet she was upset about it 2046 01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:03,530 apparently she's not a no I want a clear 2047 01:37:07,719 --> 01:37:05,510 Tracy's mother's name her mother does 2048 01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,729 not to my knowledge 2049 01:37:12,759 --> 01:37:09,679 smoke read not that there's anything 2050 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:12,769 wrong with that there's anything wrong 2051 01:37:15,759 --> 01:37:14,090 with it yeah it's one of the most 2052 01:37:18,459 --> 01:37:15,769 liberating feelings in the world have 2053 01:37:21,129 --> 01:37:18,469 you been to a pot store know your New 2054 01:37:23,620 --> 01:37:21,139 York it's not legal there right no not 2055 01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:23,630 even medically oh man when you and Tracy 2056 01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,030 next time you're in California I am 2057 01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:28,400 going to take you to a pot store just 2058 01:37:34,029 --> 01:37:31,489 because right yeah yeah just because it 2059 01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:34,039 is the craziest feeling when you walk 2060 01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:35,840 into a pot store here in California 2061 01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:37,760 we're in a live stream when I go in yeah 2062 01:37:44,020 --> 01:37:41,630 yeah you can't and just look around and 2063 01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:44,030 look at these hundreds of jars of weed 2064 01:37:48,969 --> 01:37:46,130 and the smell and the edibles and the 2065 01:37:52,929 --> 01:37:48,979 things in the and and as they fill up 2066 01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:52,939 your bag right and go would you like a 2067 01:38:01,569 --> 01:37:56,239 couple free joints sure yeah throw them 2068 01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,579 in the bag so yes of course I've smoked 2069 01:38:06,219 --> 01:38:03,920 pot in my life numbers of times and I I 2070 01:38:08,830 --> 01:38:06,229 think fine you want to smoke pot do it 2071 01:38:10,149 --> 01:38:08,840 but I will say and I think it's really 2072 01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,159 important to say this that when people 2073 01:38:14,529 --> 01:38:11,840 really liked turn drugs into this 2074 01:38:16,509 --> 01:38:14,539 wonderful thing you're kind of doing the 2075 01:38:20,290 --> 01:38:16,519 CIA's work for you like that's really 2076 01:38:22,839 --> 01:38:20,300 the truth so the CIA pioneered the use 2077 01:38:26,459 --> 01:38:22,849 of hallucinogens you know we all know 2078 01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,469 about the CIA and LSD and how this 2079 01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:28,639 MKULTRA and the CIA's various 2080 01:38:33,549 --> 01:38:31,550 mind-control programs were deeply 2081 01:38:35,709 --> 01:38:33,559 involved in the use of of things like 2082 01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:35,719 LSD and other types of drugs not 2083 01:38:40,089 --> 01:38:38,449 necessarily weed per se but the idea 2084 01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:40,099 there's a very excellent book by a 2085 01:38:44,180 --> 01:38:41,520 fellow named John poet ochco 2086 01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:44,190 drugs as weapons against us and I highly 2087 01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:46,200 highly recommend this book 2088 01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:49,680 and just like the late Dave McGowan 2089 01:38:54,380 --> 01:38:52,800 talked about Laurel Canyon as a kind of 2090 01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:54,390 operation to create the hippie movement 2091 01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:57,000 of the 60s to derail the active peace 2092 01:39:00,980 --> 01:38:59,070 movement so - I think that there's a 2093 01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,990 case to be made and I think people 2094 01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:02,880 really need to understand that the 2095 01:39:08,690 --> 01:39:06,930 proliferation of recreational drugs is 2096 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:08,700 something that is used against us 2097 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:11,850 because yeah it's fun it's nice you can 2098 01:39:15,230 --> 01:39:13,530 have it's like you know having a drink 2099 01:39:17,780 --> 01:39:15,240 or you want to get a little get a little 2100 01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:17,790 high fine but it takes you off your game 2101 01:39:22,730 --> 01:39:20,880 and the more people do it the more off 2102 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:22,740 their game they are and the next thing 2103 01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:25,170 you know your life has gone by so I I'm 2104 01:39:31,220 --> 01:39:28,230 just gonna say that there you go 2105 01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:31,230 no right reminds me of an episode I 2106 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:33,510 think it was Saturday Night Live I could 2107 01:39:37,460 --> 01:39:35,370 be wrong it might have been a movie but 2108 01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,470 it's just like okay go ahead smoke the 2109 01:39:41,630 --> 01:39:39,360 weed go ahead get all complacent the 2110 01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:41,640 next thing you know China is invading 2111 01:39:46,970 --> 01:39:43,770 the United States you know they're gonna 2112 01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:46,980 catch us off guard I want to say one of 2113 01:39:51,770 --> 01:39:49,650 the thing by the way the over a decade 2114 01:39:55,130 --> 01:39:51,780 ago Adam I was on the phone with 2115 01:39:57,500 --> 01:39:55,140 Catherine Austin Fitz and we were 2116 01:39:59,300 --> 01:39:57,510 talking about finance and money and 2117 01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,310 she's taught me so much about that and I 2118 01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:01,920 still can't keep up with her but I was 2119 01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:05,130 on one of my my fests that I often 2120 01:40:09,110 --> 01:40:07,020 will do my rants and I was talking about 2121 01:40:10,670 --> 01:40:09,120 drugs and I was just saying 2122 01:40:11,870 --> 01:40:10,680 dammit they should just legalize all 2123 01:40:13,940 --> 01:40:11,880 drugs I'm just sick of this 2124 01:40:15,140 --> 01:40:13,950 criminalization of drugs and she said 2125 01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,150 well let's find Richard but you realize 2126 01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:16,560 that would cause a banking failure like 2127 01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:18,390 the next day and I said okay stop right 2128 01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:21,000 there let's talk about this and and her 2129 01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,500 point was very logical 2130 01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:24,480 she said well let's just say you're a 2131 01:40:27,170 --> 01:40:25,890 Mexican drug lord and you're trying to 2132 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:27,180 run a hundred million dollars through 2133 01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,410 the Chase Bank of New York which 2134 01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:30,480 actually did happen back in I think oh 2135 01:40:37,010 --> 01:40:34,530 102 was Raul Salinas the brother of the 2136 01:40:39,530 --> 01:40:37,020 former President of Mexico and was 2137 01:40:41,660 --> 01:40:39,540 Daniel Salinas anyway his 114 million 2138 01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:41,670 dollars of his was stopped going from 2139 01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:43,140 Mexico through the Chase Bank of New 2140 01:40:48,020 --> 01:40:46,500 York and she was obviously embarrassed 2141 01:40:49,940 --> 01:40:48,030 and they had their talking head out 2142 01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:49,950 there saying well this is a highly 2143 01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:51,810 irregular transfer fortunately we have 2144 01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:53,040 procedures in place to catch these 2145 01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,260 things of course I'm thinking Raul silly 2146 01:40:59,570 --> 01:40:57,840 this was not some idiot obviously he had 2147 01:41:01,130 --> 01:40:59,580 good reason to think his money would be 2148 01:41:03,020 --> 01:41:01,140 able to go through and to be laundered 2149 01:41:04,490 --> 01:41:03,030 properly and this time he got caught 2150 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:04,500 probably someone ratted it out and 2151 01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:06,570 they're probably dead but the point is 2152 01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:11,070 Katherine said drugs are so unbelievably 2153 01:41:17,450 --> 01:41:14,820 profitable everyone wants that money 2154 01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:17,460 everyone wants drug money from a street 2155 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:19,260 corner pusher to a cop on the take to a 2156 01:41:27,230 --> 01:41:22,770 judge to entire agencies to intelligence 2157 01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:27,240 agencies like the CIA or or the GRU or 2158 01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:29,400 the Pakistanis or the Israelis or 2159 01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:31,830 whatever they all want it because it's 2160 01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:35,820 too much and if suddenly you legalized 2161 01:41:44,420 --> 01:41:40,110 it all of that money that washes through 2162 01:41:46,730 --> 01:41:44,430 unofficially our global system suddenly 2163 01:41:49,850 --> 01:41:46,740 it just goes away it becomes aboveboard 2164 01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,860 and those people who've benefited from 2165 01:41:54,110 --> 01:41:51,960 getting their 5% wetting their beak on 2166 01:41:57,470 --> 01:41:54,120 this transaction so on that all stops 2167 01:41:59,330 --> 01:41:57,480 and she argued that a great deal I don't 2168 01:42:01,970 --> 01:41:59,340 know how much but a lot of the banking 2169 01:42:06,740 --> 01:42:01,980 system relies necessarily on illegal 2170 01:42:08,510 --> 01:42:06,750 drug transactions so you know we want 2171 01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:08,520 our drugs people want our drugs they 2172 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:12,570 want to be able to zone out but all of 2173 01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:15,570 this is is interconnected with a very 2174 01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:20,370 very deeply criminal and and awful 2175 01:42:24,260 --> 01:42:22,050 enterprise that's that's making the 2176 01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:24,270 world worse not better I wanted to ask 2177 01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:29,040 you can you imagine and we were just 2178 01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,140 talking about the New Age stuff if you 2179 01:42:37,480 --> 01:42:34,080 went to a New Age conference you and I 2180 01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:37,490 and we are walking through the crowd and 2181 01:42:49,370 --> 01:42:46,980 not one person recognizes you you know 2182 01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:49,380 you know it's a it's a pretty 2183 01:42:56,690 --> 01:42:51,810 fascinating concept kids you would think 2184 01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:56,700 that the two are completely familiar 2185 01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:58,830 with each other but you could probably 2186 01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:00,600 walk through one of those conferences 2187 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:02,610 and nobody would know what Roswell was 2188 01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:06,330 right well I mean do to an extent yeah I 2189 01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:08,490 mean there's some overlap obviously but 2190 01:43:11,390 --> 01:43:08,820 know 2191 01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:11,400 the New Age community is much much 2192 01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,020 larger much more money than than the UFO 2193 01:43:20,450 --> 01:43:18,239 culture I would say right there's a lot 2194 01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:20,460 of money there a lot of money there's a 2195 01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:21,810 lot of money in the Christian community 2196 01:43:25,819 --> 01:43:23,880 as as I've learned I've had some 2197 01:43:27,649 --> 01:43:25,829 interactions with them and they can put 2198 01:43:31,250 --> 01:43:27,659 some money out there and the New Age 2199 01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:31,260 community probably equally those are 2200 01:43:35,419 --> 01:43:32,940 very lucrative markets so it's not 2201 01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:35,429 surprising that you find people work in 2202 01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:39,170 those markets I wanted to ask you about 2203 01:43:45,649 --> 01:43:44,280 Bob Lazar and is why I mean I happy to 2204 01:43:49,729 --> 01:43:45,659 but what what brought this on 2205 01:43:52,459 --> 01:43:49,739 because just like you know Corey's got a 2206 01:43:55,220 --> 01:43:52,469 new movie coming out okay it's a it's 2207 01:43:59,330 --> 01:43:55,230 distributed by the orchard you know / 2208 01:44:03,649 --> 01:43:59,340 Sony Steven Greer just had his movie out 2209 01:44:08,839 --> 01:44:03,659 a couple of was last year unacknowledged 2210 01:44:15,290 --> 01:44:12,459 Jeremy Korbel just released skinwalker 2211 01:44:17,930 --> 01:44:15,300 another mainstream film and his next I 2212 01:44:20,689 --> 01:44:17,940 rather like his next film I haven't seen 2213 01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:20,699 it yet but I do intend to watch it well 2214 01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:22,920 George George Knapp really makes it that 2215 01:44:28,609 --> 01:44:25,710 the I mean Jeremy's a fine filmmaker yes 2216 01:44:30,379 --> 01:44:28,619 he is but it's really George Knapp's 2217 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:30,389 material from the 90s that make that 2218 01:44:36,220 --> 01:44:33,690 film just riveting and when and now his 2219 01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:36,230 good work in putting it all together 2220 01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:39,090 he's got a keen eye for cinematography 2221 01:44:46,220 --> 01:44:43,500 and he he's very humble about it but I'm 2222 01:44:47,810 --> 01:44:46,230 do you know he's just got it's it's a 2223 01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:47,820 it's a real talent it's a world-class 2224 01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:50,790 talent and so but his next film is is 2225 01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:54,000 Lazar and we have the same situation 2226 01:45:03,350 --> 01:44:58,560 here where bob has survived many waves 2227 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:03,360 of criticism over the years and and now 2228 01:45:08,260 --> 01:45:06,810 there's new film is coming out where do 2229 01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:08,270 we stand on that when we talk about 2230 01:45:15,020 --> 01:45:11,760 evidence and improve and do you classify 2231 01:45:17,890 --> 01:45:15,030 him as a whistleblower it's certainly 2232 01:45:21,190 --> 01:45:17,900 area 51 wouldn't be the household name 2233 01:45:22,630 --> 01:45:21,200 I'm a supporter of Bob Lazar and 2234 01:45:25,780 --> 01:45:22,640 say I've caught a lot of Hell for that 2235 01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:25,790 over the years by a lot of people I took 2236 01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:29,870 a long long time before I made some kind 2237 01:45:33,610 --> 01:45:31,130 of provisional decision on what I 2238 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:33,620 thought about Bob Lazar probably the 2239 01:45:37,630 --> 01:45:35,450 whole first decade of the 20th century 2240 01:45:40,150 --> 01:45:37,640 to be honest with you when I wrote my 2241 01:45:42,010 --> 01:45:40,160 first book came out in 2000 and second 2242 01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:42,020 edition came out No - I didn't really 2243 01:45:47,050 --> 01:45:44,000 know what to think about Lazar story I 2244 01:45:49,330 --> 01:45:47,060 hadn't dove into it sufficiently to know 2245 01:45:52,300 --> 01:45:49,340 and I was afraid there's so many 2246 01:45:55,630 --> 01:45:52,310 minefields in the UFO field obviously 2247 01:45:58,270 --> 01:45:55,640 and in Lazar story was definitely one of 2248 01:46:00,610 --> 01:45:58,280 the big ones and but by the time I 2249 01:46:02,230 --> 01:46:00,620 finally I just I got to it I thought 2250 01:46:06,490 --> 01:46:02,240 well I've got to really throw myself 2251 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:06,500 into this and I read probably every 2252 01:46:13,450 --> 01:46:09,170 statement Lazar made back in those days 2253 01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:13,460 89 90 91 he he was extremely consistent 2254 01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,610 actually and and then you know getting 2255 01:46:20,530 --> 01:46:18,320 into the claims that people like Stan 2256 01:46:22,450 --> 01:46:20,540 Friedman that Lazar was a fraud and so 2257 01:46:24,460 --> 01:46:22,460 forth and that he didn't go to MIT and 2258 01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:24,470 he didn't go to Caltech and well it 2259 01:46:31,930 --> 01:46:29,030 turns out actually that Lazar III I 2260 01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:31,940 think you know I think what it was the 2261 01:46:36,850 --> 01:46:34,880 audited classes at MIT he wasn't he 2262 01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:36,860 didn't go and I don't think that he 2263 01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:39,290 really claimed the things that he did 2264 01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:42,560 and and if he did I dunno you know 2265 01:46:46,270 --> 01:46:44,570 George Knapp proved that he went to Los 2266 01:46:48,670 --> 01:46:46,280 Alamos National Labs or he worked there 2267 01:46:53,380 --> 01:46:48,680 and he did certainly meet with Edward 2268 01:46:56,260 --> 01:46:53,390 Teller who certainly provided the 2269 01:46:59,800 --> 01:46:56,270 impetus for getting Lazar hired where he 2270 01:47:04,450 --> 01:46:59,810 was and then on top of that I I spoke to 2271 01:47:05,710 --> 01:47:04,460 a number of people who are Oh golly now 2272 01:47:07,570 --> 01:47:05,720 I'm in a position that I can't mention 2273 01:47:09,070 --> 01:47:07,580 someone's name or not I want to be able 2274 01:47:11,980 --> 01:47:09,080 to mention this person's name he's 2275 01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:11,990 pretty well-known but I guess I'll just 2276 01:47:16,570 --> 01:47:14,450 say that a number of people provide very 2277 01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:16,580 strong confirmation that Lazar was where 2278 01:47:20,980 --> 01:47:18,050 he said he was at the time that he was 2279 01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:20,990 there and I believe it now that doesn't 2280 01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:23,510 mean that every single thing Lazar said 2281 01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:26,450 is true I don't know if his information 2282 01:47:31,450 --> 01:47:30,080 is accurate or not but I I do believe 2283 01:47:33,250 --> 01:47:31,460 that he is truthful about what he said 2284 01:47:34,540 --> 01:47:33,260 he did and I was I was sitting right in 2285 01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:34,550 the audience at the 2286 01:47:40,899 --> 01:47:38,480 International UFO Congress in was a 2015 2287 01:47:42,939 --> 01:47:40,909 15 yeah when he was there in fact I 2288 01:47:45,879 --> 01:47:42,949 spoke on the same stage the same day and 2289 01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:45,889 I listened to Lazar with George Knapp up 2290 01:47:49,919 --> 01:47:47,510 there and I thought Bob Lazar gave a 2291 01:47:53,169 --> 01:47:49,929 very excellent accounting for himself so 2292 01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:53,179 no I believe him I think that he did 2293 01:48:01,720 --> 01:47:57,679 what he said he did and so yeah he's a 2294 01:48:07,060 --> 01:48:01,730 whistleblower in my view how has how has 2295 01:48:10,060 --> 01:48:07,070 the UFO question changed because I think 2296 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:10,070 there's been a definite shift over the 2297 01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:12,650 last two to three years because of some 2298 01:48:18,580 --> 01:48:15,590 pretty big things happening certainly 2299 01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:18,590 you know there's t TSA there is this 2300 01:48:24,879 --> 01:48:20,690 quarry good side of things there is the 2301 01:48:26,919 --> 01:48:24,889 the growth of Gaia TV very big 2302 01:48:29,859 --> 01:48:26,929 conferences across this country that are 2303 01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:29,869 that are sold out and then a television 2304 01:48:37,810 --> 01:48:34,400 in general there has been this this 2305 01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:37,820 elevation I just named four major films 2306 01:48:41,229 --> 01:48:39,530 right that have been released yeah well 2307 01:48:43,390 --> 01:48:41,239 what we're seeing this is all the result 2308 01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:43,400 of the web like fundamentally all of it 2309 01:48:47,620 --> 01:48:44,719 it's all the result of interconnectivity 2310 01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:47,630 like back in the 80s and prior the 2311 01:48:52,839 --> 01:48:50,510 genuine interest in UFOs could be muted 2312 01:48:54,010 --> 01:48:52,849 by what I like to call our official 2313 01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:54,020 culture the official establishment 2314 01:48:59,370 --> 01:48:56,570 because they they had such dominant 2315 01:49:01,000 --> 01:48:59,380 power over the methods by which 2316 01:49:02,500 --> 01:49:01,010 information would get out whether 2317 01:49:04,689 --> 01:49:02,510 through newspapers which are all part of 2318 01:49:07,870 --> 01:49:04,699 the mockingbirds system or TV which is 2319 01:49:09,549 --> 01:49:07,880 even worse and so it was only the 2320 01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:09,559 development of this crazy new thing 2321 01:49:13,540 --> 01:49:11,329 called the Internet where people were 2322 01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:13,550 actually able they didn't need a 2323 01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:16,250 middleman they didn't need a schoolmarm 2324 01:49:20,530 --> 01:49:18,110 nanny to say no you can't put this out 2325 01:49:23,919 --> 01:49:20,540 they just did it and so what happened 2326 01:49:25,689 --> 01:49:23,929 was this explosion of information an 2327 01:49:27,459 --> 01:49:25,699 opinion and claims and everything else 2328 01:49:30,879 --> 01:49:27,469 and it just became like the Wild West 2329 01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:30,889 all almost overnight and by the the turn 2330 01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:33,440 of the century what had happened is that 2331 01:49:37,299 --> 01:49:35,690 the interest in the UFO phenomenon see 2332 01:49:38,740 --> 01:49:37,309 that's real that's genuine that's 2333 01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:38,750 something that resonates with with 2334 01:49:43,660 --> 01:49:40,790 people a lot of people don't realize 2335 01:49:46,959 --> 01:49:43,670 that they are fascinated by this until 2336 01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:46,969 they encounter it and then they they 2337 01:49:51,340 --> 01:49:48,590 discover this hung 2338 01:49:54,130 --> 01:49:51,350 for truth and for knowledge and so 2339 01:49:56,740 --> 01:49:54,140 what's happened is that because of this 2340 01:49:59,080 --> 01:49:56,750 development of this internet people have 2341 01:50:02,680 --> 01:49:59,090 been able to express this interest UFOs 2342 01:50:04,780 --> 01:50:02,690 have always been one of the most popular 2343 01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:04,790 things to search on the web and on the 2344 01:50:08,860 --> 01:50:07,760 internet since the beginning and and so 2345 01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:08,870 what's happened is that the 2346 01:50:13,930 --> 01:50:11,810 establishment media has had to adapt to 2347 01:50:15,790 --> 01:50:13,940 that and and it's no longer just the 2348 01:50:18,580 --> 01:50:15,800 establishment media anymore like it's 2349 01:50:20,770 --> 01:50:18,590 really easy for a lot of people now to 2350 01:50:22,930 --> 01:50:20,780 break in and make their own movies like 2351 01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:22,940 Jeremy and like a lot of other folks so 2352 01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:25,130 you're seeing this explosion of 2353 01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:27,650 creativity and of people making their 2354 01:50:32,440 --> 01:50:29,570 own statements I mean on YouTube and 2355 01:50:33,850 --> 01:50:32,450 everywhere else there's all these people 2356 01:50:37,090 --> 01:50:33,860 that are just out there so it's has 2357 01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:37,100 become this massive movement and this is 2358 01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:39,170 why like when I talk about disclosure as 2359 01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,750 a paradox it is it's impossible and it's 2360 01:50:47,020 --> 01:50:44,080 inevitable it is both of these things 2361 01:50:49,450 --> 01:50:47,030 like it's I've always felt disclosure 2362 01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:49,460 about UFOs is impossible in the sense 2363 01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:52,489 that there's really no motivation that I 2364 01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:57,920 see among the powers that be right to to 2365 01:51:02,680 --> 01:50:59,780 give up this the secret that is so 2366 01:51:04,300 --> 01:51:02,690 revolutionary and and damaging to the 2367 01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:04,310 status quo on the other hand they're not 2368 01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:05,930 the only people making the decisions 2369 01:51:11,010 --> 01:51:08,060 because we have a society in the process 2370 01:51:14,770 --> 01:51:11,020 of revolutionary social economic and 2371 01:51:17,650 --> 01:51:14,780 intellectual change an infrastructure 2372 01:51:21,790 --> 01:51:17,660 change so the equation is constantly in 2373 01:51:23,410 --> 01:51:21,800 flux and this is why T TS a actually was 2374 01:51:26,380 --> 01:51:23,420 able to do what they did a lot of people 2375 01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:26,390 have said TT SAS is simply an Intel op 2376 01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:28,910 and I'm not I'm not of this opinion and 2377 01:51:33,970 --> 01:51:30,530 I realized there people will criticize 2378 01:51:35,710 --> 01:51:33,980 me for this but I'm saying this at least 2379 01:51:37,540 --> 01:51:35,720 partially on the basis of the fact that 2380 01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:37,550 I've I've known how put off for many 2381 01:51:41,860 --> 01:51:39,860 many years and I've known him personally 2382 01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:41,870 and I respect him and there's nothing 2383 01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:43,250 that anyone's going to say to me to make 2384 01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:45,920 me not respect that man it doesn't mean 2385 01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:47,330 that he doesn't have a motivation for 2386 01:51:51,790 --> 01:51:49,910 doing what he does with T TSA or that no 2387 01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:51,800 one has their own personal motivations I 2388 01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:54,290 mean everyone's got motivations that are 2389 01:51:58,620 --> 01:51:56,330 private and personal and everyone wants 2390 01:52:01,290 --> 01:51:58,630 to make their money and but ultimately 2391 01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:01,300 what happened with T TSA 2392 01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:05,050 is that you have this true believer this 2393 01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:08,650 guy Tom DeLonge who is was clearly into 2394 01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:13,329 the subjects you know and and you know 2395 01:52:17,459 --> 01:52:15,250 he proudly yes he wanted to turn it into 2396 01:52:18,930 --> 01:52:17,469 a venture so you can say that's a bad 2397 01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,940 thing you can say that you don't care 2398 01:52:23,879 --> 01:52:20,400 whatever it's just how it is 2399 01:52:26,790 --> 01:52:23,889 but this type of thing as I see it is 2400 01:52:29,339 --> 01:52:26,800 kind of a historical inevitability like 2401 01:52:32,819 --> 01:52:29,349 there's we're at the point where the 2402 01:52:36,270 --> 01:52:32,829 capability to generate forward motion on 2403 01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:36,280 this is too great 2404 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:39,250 and so that the establishment has had to 2405 01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:41,530 make and is going to have to continue to 2406 01:52:49,649 --> 01:52:46,750 make concessions to this rising tide of 2407 01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,659 people who want this disclosure so of 2408 01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:51,280 course the establishment is going to try 2409 01:52:55,290 --> 01:52:53,050 to take as much control over the spin 2410 01:52:56,850 --> 01:52:55,300 for of that disclosure as possible and 2411 01:52:58,859 --> 01:52:56,860 you have to expect that that doesn't 2412 01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:58,869 make them evil either everyone's got 2413 01:53:06,209 --> 01:53:01,360 their part to play here so their job is 2414 01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:06,219 to spin and our job is to is to correct 2415 01:53:10,140 --> 01:53:09,070 that spin our job is to tear away the 2416 01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:10,150 venires 2417 01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:12,940 of spin and deception and half-truths 2418 01:53:17,490 --> 01:53:15,460 and so forth and it's you know it's 2419 01:53:19,890 --> 01:53:17,500 that's where we're at right now well so 2420 01:53:21,810 --> 01:53:19,900 I think you're seeing this the dike is 2421 01:53:24,060 --> 01:53:21,820 breaking the dam the dam is breaking 2422 01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:24,070 yeah the dam is definitely breaking but 2423 01:53:32,810 --> 01:53:26,980 let me ask you a very direct question 2424 01:53:35,729 --> 01:53:32,820 when you say that TTS a is an Intel op 2425 01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:35,739 what makes you come to that conclusion 2426 01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:40,000 when this community is staring down the 2427 01:53:46,189 --> 01:53:43,210 eyeballs of members of the CIA in the 2428 01:53:50,250 --> 01:53:46,199 defense intelligence community and 2429 01:53:54,770 --> 01:53:50,260 counterintelligence and in the list is 2430 01:53:57,359 --> 01:53:54,780 very long from for those that have been 2431 01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,369 creating counterintelligence against 2432 01:54:01,770 --> 01:53:58,960 this community for years and suddenly 2433 01:54:04,140 --> 01:54:01,780 this is who is running this this company 2434 01:54:06,839 --> 01:54:04,150 where does that trust from you come from 2435 01:54:09,930 --> 01:54:06,849 right now yeah that's a fair question so 2436 01:54:11,010 --> 01:54:09,940 I would say this first of all anyone 2437 01:54:12,660 --> 01:54:11,020 who's looked at the intelligence 2438 01:54:15,300 --> 01:54:12,670 community knows it's not it's not a 2439 01:54:17,940 --> 01:54:15,310 single monolith it's a labyrinth 2440 01:54:19,290 --> 01:54:17,950 and there have always been people in the 2441 01:54:21,630 --> 01:54:19,300 intelligence community who do not 2442 01:54:24,450 --> 01:54:21,640 believe in the UFO secrecy and that's 2443 01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:24,460 the fact now I don't know every one of 2444 01:54:30,090 --> 01:54:27,250 the people involved in T TSA but I know 2445 01:54:31,770 --> 01:54:30,100 how put off and as I say I believe in 2446 01:54:37,860 --> 01:54:31,780 his integrity and I believe that he 2447 01:54:42,300 --> 01:54:37,870 believes in the desirability of getting 2448 01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:42,310 of breaking this this blog M that we're 2449 01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:44,260 having in our society I believe that 2450 01:54:47,970 --> 01:54:46,270 about him I don't I can't speak 2451 01:54:50,910 --> 01:54:47,980 personally about the other people 2452 01:54:52,590 --> 01:54:50,920 involved here and and the thing is yes 2453 01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,600 they all have they're all out of Intel 2454 01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:55,360 and so we we need to recognize that but 2455 01:54:58,890 --> 01:54:56,530 does that mean that they're actually 2456 01:55:00,510 --> 01:54:58,900 doing an op like is this enough has 2457 01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:00,520 anyone been able to prove that Sonam has 2458 01:55:05,370 --> 01:55:02,650 anyone provided evidence that this is an 2459 01:55:10,650 --> 01:55:05,380 op if they have I'm not I'm not aware of 2460 01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:10,660 it and maybe that's just my fault the 2461 01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:13,090 the the counter-argument to that is an 2462 01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:17,130 easy one you can't prove that it is not 2463 01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,450 so right so we're kind of spinning in 2464 01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:22,000 circles here and sure and my attitude is 2465 01:55:25,590 --> 01:55:24,580 this is this argument is almost part of 2466 01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:25,600 the postmodernist 2467 01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:27,370 infection of our intellect in today's 2468 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:29,890 world by that I simply mean we've gone 2469 01:55:33,810 --> 01:55:31,450 into the habit of looking behind 2470 01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:33,820 arguments rather than ad arguments we've 2471 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:35,890 gotten into the habit of looking at what 2472 01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:37,930 we perceive as motivations of people for 2473 01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:39,550 saying what they do rather than what 2474 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:41,710 they're actually saying and doing so in 2475 01:55:46,050 --> 01:55:44,770 the case of TTS a what I've seen is over 2476 01:55:49,290 --> 01:55:46,060 the last year they've actually said a 2477 01:55:52,290 --> 01:55:49,300 lot like cut off speech at SSC earlier 2478 01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:52,300 this year Society scientific exploration 2479 01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:56,080 was a like an earthquake and its 2480 01:56:04,710 --> 01:55:58,800 importance I mean here he is talking 2481 01:56:06,930 --> 01:56:04,720 explicitly about a object that's of 2482 01:56:09,450 --> 01:56:06,940 bismuth and magnesium of a certain a 2483 01:56:10,890 --> 01:56:09,460 certain type of structure that came to 2484 01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:10,900 them this is back in the art bell days 2485 01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:12,370 when someone said this is part of a UFO 2486 01:56:16,410 --> 01:56:14,170 crash retrieval and and how cutoffs 2487 01:56:17,820 --> 01:56:16,420 talking explicitly about how for years 2488 01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:17,830 they try to understanding this thing and 2489 01:56:22,340 --> 01:56:19,090 they couldn't make heads or tails out of 2490 01:56:26,130 --> 01:56:22,350 it and only recently have they been a 2491 01:56:28,260 --> 01:56:26,140 maid it what it would be for and only 2492 01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:28,270 very recently he said have they been 2493 01:56:31,610 --> 01:56:29,130 able to understand 2494 01:56:34,130 --> 01:56:31,620 as a very excellent he calls waveguide 2495 01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:34,140 for electromagnetic frequencies in the 2496 01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:35,820 terahertz range and I'm looking that up 2497 01:56:37,340 --> 01:56:37,050 and like what is a waveguide and what is 2498 01:56:39,290 --> 01:56:37,350 this 2499 01:56:42,020 --> 01:56:39,300 so waveguide is like a canal is a 2500 01:56:44,740 --> 01:56:42,030 waveguide for water it guides things so 2501 01:56:47,470 --> 01:56:44,750 this very very sophisticated piece of 2502 01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:47,480 this artifact of whatever it is is a 2503 01:56:53,570 --> 01:56:50,480 highly sophisticated piece of technology 2504 01:56:57,980 --> 01:56:53,580 now is there an ulterior motive that he 2505 01:56:59,390 --> 01:56:57,990 has to say what he does well I don't 2506 01:57:01,640 --> 01:56:59,400 know what that is but I know that he 2507 01:57:04,130 --> 01:57:01,650 said what he did and that's an important 2508 01:57:07,610 --> 01:57:04,140 piece of factual information that we now 2509 01:57:09,050 --> 01:57:07,620 can work with they've released three 2510 01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:09,060 videos and people have argued about 2511 01:57:12,620 --> 01:57:11,250 those videos but I'm at the point where 2512 01:57:14,660 --> 01:57:12,630 I don't believe that those are fake 2513 01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:14,670 there is a big argument on meta bunk and 2514 01:57:19,250 --> 01:57:17,520 I'm familiar with it all and for a while 2515 01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:19,260 I thought maybe the gimble video was 2516 01:57:24,350 --> 01:57:22,050 indeed a hoax but I don't believe it is 2517 01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:24,360 I think that what they put out is legit 2518 01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:26,490 now if I'm wrong then I'm wrong you know 2519 01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:28,290 and I'm allowed to be wrong but I don't 2520 01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:29,850 I this is what I believe at this point 2521 01:57:36,620 --> 01:57:32,250 so what they've done is they've they've 2522 01:57:38,510 --> 01:57:36,630 done some very tangible things that we 2523 01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:38,520 can work with and the fact that they put 2524 01:57:42,410 --> 01:57:41,040 in got an article out because they were 2525 01:57:44,570 --> 01:57:42,420 fundamentally behind what happened with 2526 01:57:47,810 --> 01:57:44,580 the New York Times piece last December 2527 01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:47,820 and and let me just say I have zero 2528 01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,880 regard for the for the New York Times 2529 01:57:56,420 --> 01:57:53,280 they do the work of the Empire they lied 2530 01:57:58,250 --> 01:57:56,430 about Arachne we're almost you could say 2531 01:57:59,780 --> 01:57:58,260 they were responsible in large part for 2532 01:58:02,330 --> 01:57:59,790 the destruction of that entire nation 2533 01:58:03,860 --> 01:58:02,340 based on lies and we should never 2534 01:58:05,500 --> 01:58:03,870 forgive them for that and for us so many 2535 01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:05,510 of the lies that the New York Times 2536 01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:08,010 promulgates and so why should and 2537 01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:10,650 they've lied about UFOs since forever so 2538 01:58:15,980 --> 01:58:13,260 why should we you know so what is the 2539 01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:15,990 significance of this December 17th 2017 2540 01:58:22,850 --> 01:58:18,650 article like that's it's like a paradox 2541 01:58:25,070 --> 01:58:22,860 it is but but my my interpretation on 2542 01:58:28,490 --> 01:58:25,080 this has been and it remains so far I 2543 01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:28,500 think that they did it to maintain as 2544 01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:30,330 much spin and control over the story as 2545 01:58:35,540 --> 01:58:32,400 possible because this was coming out 2546 01:58:38,150 --> 01:58:35,550 like in other words TTS A's forward 2547 01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:38,160 motion was happening like that was 2548 01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:41,840 absolutely happening and my opinion 2549 01:58:45,820 --> 01:58:43,760 is that someone at the top of the New 2550 01:58:48,700 --> 01:58:45,830 York Times structure said I will do this 2551 01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:48,710 because where we will contain and 2552 01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:50,810 control and will be the waveguide for 2553 01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:53,450 this story and in fact we now know I 2554 01:58:58,060 --> 01:58:55,040 mean they did a lot of deceptions and 2555 01:59:00,100 --> 01:58:58,070 inaccuracies in their coverage like we 2556 01:59:02,020 --> 01:59:00,110 know that most of that 22 million 2557 01:59:03,550 --> 01:59:02,030 dollars that supposedly was with a tip 2558 01:59:05,980 --> 01:59:03,560 actually went to study the the 2559 01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:05,990 skinwalker ranch and they didn't cover 2560 01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:08,570 that so there's a lot of other things so 2561 01:59:16,030 --> 01:59:11,690 what do we what so what do we do with 2562 01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:16,040 this you're saying that New York Times 2563 01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:18,680 despite all their lies and obfuscation 2564 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:21,590 and you know lack of credibility they 2565 01:59:27,190 --> 01:59:24,890 they actually despite themselves despite 2566 01:59:31,450 --> 01:59:27,200 themselves because of the force of 2567 01:59:34,090 --> 01:59:31,460 history put out something on the UFO 2568 01:59:36,730 --> 01:59:34,100 subject that actually gave it some 2569 01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:36,740 credence that in itself is an incredible 2570 01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:43,220 moment in in modern UFO history and yes 2571 01:59:47,530 --> 01:59:44,960 the New York Times lies yes the New York 2572 01:59:50,350 --> 01:59:47,540 Times spins but this much actually 2573 01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:50,360 happened and they did as much damage 2574 01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:52,970 control over that story as possible but 2575 01:59:57,790 --> 01:59:56,000 still it came out and that is because 2576 01:59:59,980 --> 01:59:57,800 there is a force of history happening 2577 02:00:01,930 --> 01:59:59,990 here and and in that sense it's actually 2578 02:00:03,430 --> 02:00:01,940 really exciting the scene let's take a 2579 02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:03,440 break right here it's very interesting 2580 02:00:08,380 --> 02:00:07,040 Richard though that you're saying the 2581 02:00:12,070 --> 02:00:08,390 past is the past 2582 02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:12,080 this article is solid so now we must 2583 02:00:22,390 --> 02:00:20,570 trust we'll come back exactly that's why 2584 02:00:24,580 --> 02:00:22,400 you're Richard bleep and Dolan I'm just 2585 02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:24,590 a dude on a microphone and we'll pick up 2586 02:00:27,220 --> 02:00:26,090 this conversation when we come back this 2587 02:00:29,050 --> 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02:03:45,920 now and start listening to the very best 2657 02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:47,720 in paranormal talk entertainment 2658 02:03:51,970 --> 02:03:49,610 including the network you're listening 2659 02:03:55,180 --> 02:03:51,980 to right now the paranormal radio app 2660 02:03:59,950 --> 02:03:55,190 free in Google Play and the iOS App 2661 02:04:02,229 --> 02:03:59,960 Store you are listening to fade to black 2662 02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:02,239 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2663 02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:07,040 Network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're 2664 02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:09,110 listening to Jimmy Church this is a 2665 02:04:20,820 --> 02:04:12,050 revolution the revolution will not be 2666 02:04:58,430 --> 02:04:55,900 [Music] 2667 02:05:00,740 --> 02:04:58,440 [Applause] 2668 02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:00,750 all right welcome back 2669 02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:02,830 fade to black I'm males from the church 2670 02:05:09,590 --> 02:05:05,970 you can follow me on twitter @ JT radio 2671 02:05:13,500 --> 02:05:09,600 you can follow richard at rich dolan 2672 02:05:15,060 --> 02:05:13,510 don't do Richard you got a do rich on 2673 02:05:19,260 --> 02:05:15,070 Twitter it's right there at Richard 2674 02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:19,270 Dolan Richard Rida just popped into the 2675 02:05:23,370 --> 02:05:22,090 the bunker here and said or you can open 2676 02:05:31,220 --> 02:05:23,380 up the phones you want to take some 2677 02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:35,670 all right just like I mean I took one 2678 02:05:42,030 --> 02:05:40,570 down this dark road yeah you know let's 2679 02:05:46,980 --> 02:05:42,040 see how that goes yeah I'll do the dance 2680 02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:46,990 with you ok 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5 or 8 1 8 2681 02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:52,330 9 2 1 6 9 to 9 and I'll leave it there 2682 02:05:58,650 --> 02:05:55,690 let's man okay well that I opened up 2683 02:06:01,530 --> 02:05:58,660 those floodgates Richard here we go I'm 2684 02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:01,540 gonna put this one on hold and there you 2685 02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:04,690 go okay so now I wanted to ask you this 2686 02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:06,640 we were talking about the New York Times 2687 02:06:15,150 --> 02:06:10,960 before the break right but before we 2688 02:06:18,150 --> 02:06:15,160 somewhat mischaracterized my position on 2689 02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:18,160 the New York Times need to say this okay 2690 02:06:22,140 --> 02:06:20,650 yeah I don't know if you meant to I'm 2691 02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:22,150 gonna give you that much but I think you 2692 02:06:26,010 --> 02:06:22,480 did 2693 02:06:28,590 --> 02:06:26,020 okay certainly let us sure because I 2694 02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:28,600 don't think no it's not like if I want 2695 02:06:32,910 --> 02:06:31,450 to read you know how did the Mets do 2696 02:06:34,380 --> 02:06:32,920 last night I'm sure the New York Times 2697 02:06:36,090 --> 02:06:34,390 will tell me pretty accurately how they 2698 02:06:38,490 --> 02:06:36,100 did I mean there are times we'll give 2699 02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:38,500 news on certain things now they will 2700 02:06:44,850 --> 02:06:41,050 spin their news on other things that 2701 02:06:46,500 --> 02:06:44,860 matter and that includes UFOs and and as 2702 02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:46,510 I just said before the break like the 2703 02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:48,970 New York Times spun the hell out of the 2704 02:06:52,740 --> 02:06:51,010 a tip story and out of the out of the 2705 02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:52,750 information that was basically pushed 2706 02:06:56,850 --> 02:06:55,570 out there by T TSA but it doesn't mean 2707 02:06:58,980 --> 02:06:56,860 that everything that they put out there 2708 02:07:00,450 --> 02:06:58,990 was therefore illegitimate like what 2709 02:07:03,300 --> 02:07:00,460 they there were things that they put out 2710 02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:03,310 that were and remain meaningful and 2711 02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:08,320 fundamentally you know flavors military 2712 02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:10,090 encounter off the coast of California 2713 02:07:14,370 --> 02:07:11,890 he and three other pilots had 2714 02:07:17,070 --> 02:07:14,380 encountering the tic-tac UFO that's 2715 02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,080 important and they didn't give a 2716 02:07:21,660 --> 02:07:19,360 complete by any means a complete 2717 02:07:24,090 --> 02:07:21,670 narrative of what happened there but 2718 02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:24,100 they gave enough that it broke through 2719 02:07:28,500 --> 02:07:26,410 and got some attention so there were 2720 02:07:30,420 --> 02:07:28,510 important things there and I feel they 2721 02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:30,430 did it it's like you have to give up 2722 02:07:34,410 --> 02:07:32,650 some in order to maintain as much 2723 02:07:37,110 --> 02:07:34,420 control as possible and I think that's 2724 02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:37,120 what they did do you think that a year 2725 02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:40,000 from now do you think that T TSA has has 2726 02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:42,450 missed the boat and like a year from now 2727 02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:45,730 that we are gonna look back and go wow 2728 02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:49,660 that the T TSA effort was interesting 2729 02:07:58,860 --> 02:07:54,730 last year but they did so many awful 2730 02:08:01,260 --> 02:07:58,870 missteps and horrible I mean my god Tom 2731 02:08:03,480 --> 02:08:01,270 DeLonge is interviewing Joe Rogan oh I 2732 02:08:08,130 --> 02:08:03,490 know an orange vest it was the worst 2733 02:08:11,190 --> 02:08:08,140 absolute worst and and you know and then 2734 02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:11,200 the whole the whole mylar balloon fiasco 2735 02:08:14,430 --> 02:08:12,730 and all this other stuff I mean just 2736 02:08:16,590 --> 02:08:14,440 ridiculous fact I did the show with you 2737 02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:16,600 and Steve Merritt where we we talked 2738 02:08:22,070 --> 02:08:19,170 about that right yeah I do remember that 2739 02:08:25,590 --> 02:08:22,080 so there are a lot of really 2740 02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:25,600 unforgivable unforgivable mistakes that 2741 02:08:32,190 --> 02:08:27,730 they made but I I see them as mistakes 2742 02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,200 bush-league for sure but I don't see 2743 02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:33,760 that it's disinfo I just see that as 2744 02:08:39,810 --> 02:08:37,990 like total screwup but the thing is it's 2745 02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:39,820 not all about Tom DeLonge and I think 2746 02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:42,880 what we're seeing is that cut off and 2747 02:08:48,990 --> 02:08:46,530 semi van and Elizondo and these others 2748 02:08:51,540 --> 02:08:49,000 there's there's a real possibility that 2749 02:08:53,310 --> 02:08:51,550 they're going to be putting more 2750 02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:53,320 information out there look I don't think 2751 02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:55,150 that they're the saviors by any means 2752 02:09:00,180 --> 02:08:57,070 but I'm glad that they're out there I 2753 02:09:03,090 --> 02:09:00,190 mean I actually I'm interested in what 2754 02:09:05,550 --> 02:09:03,100 more they may be able to provide in 2755 02:09:07,530 --> 02:09:05,560 terms of information cut off his 2756 02:09:10,080 --> 02:09:07,540 company's Earth tech and he's put out 2757 02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:10,090 the word that he wants materials from 2758 02:09:15,420 --> 02:09:13,090 alleged UFO crash retrievals so and he 2759 02:09:18,030 --> 02:09:15,430 has said no maybe he's being truthful 2760 02:09:19,980 --> 02:09:18,040 maybe not he said that information that 2761 02:09:22,410 --> 02:09:19,990 he gets in research he does will be made 2762 02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:22,420 public so that would be a good thing 2763 02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:23,380 so my 2764 02:09:27,510 --> 02:09:25,300 attitude is let these people try to do 2765 02:09:29,310 --> 02:09:27,520 their thing if he has ulterior motives 2766 02:09:31,620 --> 02:09:29,320 to make a trillion dollars off the tech 2767 02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:31,630 well fine let the man make his money 2768 02:09:37,650 --> 02:09:35,410 like what what we want is information in 2769 02:09:40,140 --> 02:09:37,660 scientific data that we can work with to 2770 02:09:42,570 --> 02:09:40,150 move this field forward this is my 2771 02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:42,580 attitude about it like I mean for people 2772 02:09:48,540 --> 02:09:46,030 who are out there to get angry over the 2773 02:09:50,250 --> 02:09:48,550 fact that anyone makes money at all in 2774 02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:50,260 any field it's like what do you what do 2775 02:09:55,710 --> 02:09:53,170 you Stalinist communism like let's grow 2776 02:10:00,750 --> 02:09:55,720 up and recognize that that people have 2777 02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:00,760 lives to live and so earth tech if he 2778 02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:03,040 wants to make money off of technology 2779 02:10:08,730 --> 02:10:05,530 that he can develop based on crash 2780 02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,740 retrievals them fine whatever like who 2781 02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:10,960 really cares enough to about this 2782 02:10:15,140 --> 02:10:13,330 the the fundamentals are that the 2783 02:10:17,610 --> 02:10:15,150 information is getting out there and 2784 02:10:20,220 --> 02:10:17,620 this is this is where I'm at at least 2785 02:10:22,890 --> 02:10:20,230 philosophically with it so I don't know 2786 02:10:24,540 --> 02:10:22,900 if TTS a will fall flat if it you know 2787 02:10:27,210 --> 02:10:24,550 people have talked about the 37 million 2788 02:10:29,400 --> 02:10:27,220 dollars that they called as a loss and I 2789 02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:29,410 just shrugged my shoulders at that like 2790 02:10:35,610 --> 02:10:32,530 Amazon lost money and has every single 2791 02:10:37,230 --> 02:10:35,620 quarter for how many years it didn't 2792 02:10:39,420 --> 02:10:37,240 stop their valuations from going through 2793 02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:39,430 the roof like the fact that a 2794 02:10:44,370 --> 02:10:41,290 corporation loses money is not 2795 02:10:47,340 --> 02:10:44,380 necessarily a meaningful thing about 2796 02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:47,350 their their capabilities and even the 2797 02:10:52,350 --> 02:10:49,650 the boilerplate message of you know 2798 02:10:54,510 --> 02:10:52,360 worried about or concern about our 2799 02:10:55,890 --> 02:10:54,520 ability to continue I mean whatever it 2800 02:10:59,280 --> 02:10:55,900 was he said that's that's just 2801 02:11:01,760 --> 02:10:59,290 legalistic boilerplate so what does it 2802 02:11:04,500 --> 02:11:01,770 really mean well I don't know but I 2803 02:11:07,260 --> 02:11:04,510 don't think the sky is falling and I I 2804 02:11:10,380 --> 02:11:07,270 think it's people are really looking 2805 02:11:13,260 --> 02:11:10,390 into TTS a as there's the most devious 2806 02:11:16,470 --> 02:11:13,270 of operations and it's not that there 2807 02:11:18,630 --> 02:11:16,480 there hasn't been a conical series of 2808 02:11:20,940 --> 02:11:18,640 major gaffes and screw-ups there have 2809 02:11:23,910 --> 02:11:20,950 been but there has been another side of 2810 02:11:26,430 --> 02:11:23,920 it aside to it as well so I'm just 2811 02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:26,440 willing to see how it all plays out all 2812 02:11:30,330 --> 02:11:27,730 right let's go to the phones 2813 02:11:32,690 --> 02:11:30,340 area code 508 you're up on faded black 2814 02:11:35,430 --> 02:11:32,700 say hi to Richard Dolan who's calling 2815 02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:35,440 Brett hey Chris what do you got for 2816 02:11:40,190 --> 02:11:36,810 Richard 2817 02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:40,200 I just put first like to say thank you 2818 02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:41,850 Richard for everything that you do I'm a 2819 02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:43,410 big follow of you have been following 2820 02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:45,840 you for a few years now I live in 2821 02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,090 central Massachusetts and I happen to 2822 02:11:53,900 --> 02:11:50,400 live in the founder of the American Red 2823 02:11:56,630 --> 02:11:53,910 Cross's house Clara Barton we tried our 2824 02:11:58,130 --> 02:11:56,640 town is well known for and she walks 2825 02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:58,140 around this house a little bit she gives 2826 02:12:02,900 --> 02:12:00,000 us me and my wife my two young children 2827 02:12:07,220 --> 02:12:02,910 some some good messages every once in a 2828 02:12:09,470 --> 02:12:07,230 while and I just want to say you know 2829 02:12:13,160 --> 02:12:09,480 you're doing a really good job bitching 2830 02:12:16,130 --> 02:12:13,170 but like you said earlier you know with 2831 02:12:18,340 --> 02:12:16,140 the whole bob lazar thing it took you 2832 02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:18,350 ten years to get to where you are now 2833 02:12:24,740 --> 02:12:22,050 and perhaps maybe some of the ways that 2834 02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:24,750 you feel about certain things with 2835 02:12:28,940 --> 02:12:27,210 certain people who are maybe coming 2836 02:12:31,790 --> 02:12:28,950 forward and talking about the things 2837 02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:31,800 that they are are kind of gonna become 2838 02:12:37,940 --> 02:12:34,770 known fact in about another 10 years you 2839 02:12:39,650 --> 02:12:37,950 know sure I just want to thank you know 2840 02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:39,660 I appreciate that Chris I honestly do 2841 02:12:44,150 --> 02:12:42,210 and one thing I like to try to do as 2842 02:12:48,260 --> 02:12:44,160 much as possible is to take my time to 2843 02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:48,270 make a decision and look I mean I have a 2844 02:12:52,580 --> 02:12:49,770 certain opinion I assume you're 2845 02:12:56,330 --> 02:12:52,590 referring to Corey good right now and if 2846 02:12:58,610 --> 02:12:56,340 I if something were to happen over the 2847 02:13:01,100 --> 02:12:58,620 next few years were new evidence were to 2848 02:13:04,490 --> 02:13:01,110 come forward to validate things that he 2849 02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:04,500 says I can say this very honestly that I 2850 02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:06,810 will I would change my public opinion 2851 02:13:12,490 --> 02:13:10,650 about it and and I would I would support 2852 02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:12,500 whatever I think is true about it I mean 2853 02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:15,930 the thing about about my attitude on 2854 02:13:19,810 --> 02:13:18,330 this is I don't I I never ever want to 2855 02:13:22,340 --> 02:13:19,820 get to a point where I feel 2856 02:13:24,740 --> 02:13:22,350 ideologically committed to a particular 2857 02:13:27,770 --> 02:13:24,750 answer so if new information comes my 2858 02:13:30,740 --> 02:13:27,780 way go and it's my job honestly to 2859 02:13:32,270 --> 02:13:30,750 change my my assessment of it so I 2860 02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:32,280 assume that's what you're kind of 2861 02:13:38,060 --> 02:13:34,320 getting at but thank you for the phone 2862 02:13:39,890 --> 02:13:38,070 call Chris let's go to area code 602 2863 02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:39,900 Europe next time fade to black who's 2864 02:13:50,470 --> 02:13:47,010 calling sattell Richard man it's a 2865 02:13:56,750 --> 02:13:54,170 okay I have to give it I have to give a 2866 02:14:01,520 --> 02:13:56,760 shout-out to everybody in the chatroom 2867 02:14:05,330 --> 02:14:01,530 Richard's YouTube channel CW chanter the 2868 02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:05,340 dart journalist Joe from the Carolinas 2869 02:14:11,150 --> 02:14:07,130 hello everybody 2870 02:14:15,110 --> 02:14:11,160 Jimmy Jimmy I have to ask you a question 2871 02:14:18,050 --> 02:14:15,120 Jimmy sure if you if you live in an old 2872 02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:18,060 ghost town about 150 years ago and 2873 02:14:24,710 --> 02:14:22,590 you're the doctor in Mattoon and your 2874 02:14:26,090 --> 02:14:24,720 medicine was imperfect and your 2875 02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:26,100 knowledge was imperfect 2876 02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:28,170 but you did a pretty good job of 2877 02:14:34,730 --> 02:14:32,250 treating the townspeople and one day a 2878 02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:34,740 snake oil salesman rolls into town 2879 02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:37,770 across the street and he starts selling 2880 02:14:45,020 --> 02:14:41,010 snake oil to your patients would you get 2881 02:14:47,090 --> 02:14:45,030 upset would you think that somehow the 2882 02:14:49,730 --> 02:14:47,100 whole practice of medicine had been 2883 02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:49,740 solely because the snake oil salesman 2884 02:14:59,570 --> 02:14:56,880 rolled up across the street I'm trying 2885 02:15:02,000 --> 02:14:59,580 to connect with what's yours I'm gonna 2886 02:15:05,630 --> 02:15:02,010 throw that to Richard do you have an 2887 02:15:07,070 --> 02:15:05,640 answer for that yeah I think I get it 2888 02:15:08,450 --> 02:15:07,080 and I would say yeah I would probably 2889 02:15:10,460 --> 02:15:08,460 have a problem with that 2890 02:15:13,820 --> 02:15:10,470 if I'm a doctor a legitimate doctor 2891 02:15:18,020 --> 02:15:13,830 doing my best to treat people and I see 2892 02:15:20,780 --> 02:15:18,030 Charlotte's in coming into town and 2893 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:20,790 providing fake cures which i think is 2894 02:15:25,250 --> 02:15:23,370 what Natasha is getting at then yeah I 2895 02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:25,260 mean I would I would raise the alarm and 2896 02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:27,360 I would try to raise public awareness as 2897 02:15:32,930 --> 02:15:30,960 much as possible and say hey look my 2898 02:15:33,740 --> 02:15:32,940 opinion is that this is not useful it's 2899 02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:33,750 not helpful 2900 02:15:37,460 --> 02:15:35,040 you're wasting your money and you'll 2901 02:15:41,690 --> 02:15:37,470 probably you won't get better there you 2902 02:15:47,110 --> 02:15:41,700 go you know yeah I got to agree with 2903 02:15:53,540 --> 02:15:50,650 right back at you Natasha 2904 02:15:58,280 --> 02:15:53,550 you're cutting out actually it's it's 2905 02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:58,290 unfortunate all right I thank you have a 2906 02:16:01,160 --> 02:16:00,000 great night that was a bad connection 2907 02:16:05,890 --> 02:16:01,170 there 2908 02:16:09,020 --> 02:16:05,900 let's go to let's see I'm gonna go with 2909 02:16:11,390 --> 02:16:09,030 let's try a first time caller let's go 2910 02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:11,400 here hi you're live on fade to black so 2911 02:16:18,140 --> 02:16:15,119 I had to Richard Dolan hey Richard how 2912 02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:18,150 are you big fan 2913 02:16:24,590 --> 02:16:22,400 thank you huge fan actually thank you 2914 02:16:27,439 --> 02:16:24,600 you're welcome you're very welcome 2915 02:16:29,570 --> 02:16:27,449 I left a chat earlier I was at work 2916 02:16:31,970 --> 02:16:29,580 hoping for a new Richard Dolan upload 2917 02:16:33,799 --> 02:16:31,980 and then I got a notification about the 2918 02:16:37,490 --> 02:16:33,809 live stream which I totally forgot was 2919 02:16:39,410 --> 02:16:37,500 coming I'm very excited about that and 2920 02:16:39,740 --> 02:16:39,420 I'm a first-time caller yeah yeah there 2921 02:16:42,919 --> 02:16:39,750 you go 2922 02:16:47,020 --> 02:16:42,929 what's your question for Richard so I'm 2923 02:16:50,810 --> 02:16:47,030 curious as to what your opinion of the 2924 02:17:00,530 --> 02:16:50,820 the other intelligence as we might refer 2925 02:17:02,660 --> 02:17:00,540 to it being of an inner earth okay okay 2926 02:17:06,490 --> 02:17:02,670 yeah I think I cut out what do you think 2927 02:17:09,169 --> 02:17:06,500 about Richard the the the Inner Earth 2928 02:17:13,610 --> 02:17:09,179 possibilities of something living inside 2929 02:17:15,139 --> 02:17:13,620 of this planet well I as a publisher a 2930 02:17:16,730 --> 02:17:15,149 number of years ago I published one of 2931 02:17:19,389 --> 02:17:16,740 the books by dr. Richard Sauter on 2932 02:17:21,709 --> 02:17:19,399 underground bases and tunnel systems 2933 02:17:25,009 --> 02:17:21,719 clandestine underground facilities which 2934 02:17:26,839 --> 02:17:25,019 I will just say ever since I really 2935 02:17:29,330 --> 02:17:26,849 meticulously went through his work I've 2936 02:17:31,070 --> 02:17:29,340 had no problem and have no problem 2937 02:17:35,049 --> 02:17:31,080 believing that there is very likely a 2938 02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:35,059 substantial in and deep underground 2939 02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:39,420 infrastructure now I mean there's lots 2940 02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:42,240 of variations on on theories of Inner 2941 02:17:47,629 --> 02:17:44,880 Earth civilizations and so forth and I I 2942 02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:47,639 don't really know how far back on this I 2943 02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:50,450 go but I do think that there's a current 2944 02:17:54,530 --> 02:17:52,530 substantial underground infrastructure a 2945 02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:54,540 lot of it's from our own human 2946 02:18:02,509 --> 02:17:59,519 civilization and my my judgment but I I 2947 02:18:06,169 --> 02:18:02,519 would think and I'm only just going on 2948 02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:06,179 the basis of case UFO cases that I'm 2949 02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:09,439 dead of coming to my mind that deal with 2950 02:18:16,650 --> 02:18:13,870 underwater UFOs that 2951 02:18:19,020 --> 02:18:16,660 is that actually under the ocean floor 2952 02:18:22,110 --> 02:18:19,030 and under deep deep underground would 2953 02:18:25,290 --> 02:18:22,120 probably be good places for the presence 2954 02:18:26,250 --> 02:18:25,300 of others to reside as well I would I 2955 02:18:29,700 --> 02:18:26,260 think it would actually make a lot of 2956 02:18:32,129 --> 02:18:29,710 sense but to me it's a theory based on 2957 02:18:35,129 --> 02:18:32,139 it's a hypothesis that's supported by 2958 02:18:36,030 --> 02:18:35,139 some evidence how far back it goes I 2959 02:18:39,150 --> 02:18:36,040 have no idea 2960 02:18:41,610 --> 02:18:39,160 let's go to area code well who is up 2961 02:18:46,910 --> 02:18:41,620 next seven one eight you're up next time 2962 02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:50,850 tape yes yes thank you very much mr. 2963 02:18:56,060 --> 02:18:53,050 Dolan um did you speak to a gentleman 2964 02:18:58,830 --> 02:18:56,070 named mr. Gibson in Nevada by any chance 2965 02:19:01,800 --> 02:18:58,840 during a liquor seminar or something 2966 02:19:03,629 --> 02:19:01,810 like that he showed you a picture of the 2967 02:19:04,760 --> 02:19:03,639 code like a UFO or something here in 2968 02:19:08,010 --> 02:19:04,770 Queens New York 2969 02:19:10,110 --> 02:19:08,020 golly maybe I don't know I mean that 2970 02:19:14,310 --> 02:19:10,120 would be a hard thing for me to endure 2971 02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:14,320 to be perfectly honest with you I trying 2972 02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:16,090 to dismiss it I just I can't I can't 2973 02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:17,920 remember that you have to understand 2974 02:19:24,690 --> 02:19:20,310 when I when I do events I get I'm I'm 2975 02:19:27,530 --> 02:19:24,700 lasted with this I'm sorry I don't mean 2976 02:19:30,450 --> 02:19:27,540 to interrupt you 2977 02:19:34,169 --> 02:19:30,460 closer friend of mine had like an 2978 02:19:36,540 --> 02:19:34,179 encounter here in Queens mm-hmm and this 2979 02:19:38,610 --> 02:19:36,550 was like in her room and there were like 2980 02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:38,620 the beings were like seven or eight feet 2981 02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:41,200 tall they were extracting something from 2982 02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:43,770 her from her stomach 2983 02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:47,610 I contacted MUFON about three years ago 2984 02:19:51,630 --> 02:19:50,110 now when I contacted them I wasn't 2985 02:19:53,690 --> 02:19:51,640 experiencing I didn't have any 2986 02:19:56,341 --> 02:19:53,700 encounters or experiences at that time 2987 02:19:59,551 --> 02:19:56,351 since then I've been having oh I have 2988 02:20:02,100 --> 02:19:59,561 had over 200 encounters myself some of 2989 02:20:04,261 --> 02:20:02,110 these encounters I've documented they're 2990 02:20:04,950 --> 02:20:04,271 on my youtube channel you could see them 2991 02:20:11,370 --> 02:20:04,960 for yourself 2992 02:20:13,950 --> 02:20:11,380 I have ongoing experiences and frankly 2993 02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:13,960 I'm a little bit you know it's been kind 2994 02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:15,760 of hard on me I'm dealing with it but uh 2995 02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:19,210 you know Here I am trying to let people 2996 02:20:26,430 --> 02:20:23,200 know the truth you know okay well thanks 2997 02:20:26,929 --> 02:20:26,440 for calling me no I don't mean to cut 2998 02:20:28,420 --> 02:20:26,939 you up 2999 02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:28,430 something else you wanted to say there 3000 02:20:33,380 --> 02:20:31,590 I'm sorry just to see the video it's a 3001 02:20:37,849 --> 02:20:33,390 it's on my youtube channel mr. catfish 3002 02:20:42,500 --> 02:20:37,859 20100 no spaces the videos are there the 3003 02:20:44,719 --> 02:20:42,510 title is a triangular UFOs as a matter 3004 02:20:47,779 --> 02:20:44,729 of fact let me just also say I was on 3005 02:20:49,399 --> 02:20:47,789 third phase of the Moon do their YouTube 3006 02:20:50,300 --> 02:20:49,409 channel did they study these things as 3007 02:20:52,429 --> 02:20:50,310 well 3008 02:20:54,170 --> 02:20:52,439 this this UFO video that you're going to 3009 02:20:56,210 --> 02:20:54,180 see is actually this happened on top of 3010 02:20:56,599 --> 02:20:56,220 a politician's office his name is Mike 3011 02:20:58,399 --> 02:20:56,609 Miller 3012 02:21:00,979 --> 02:20:58,409 he's with the 30th district assembly of 3013 02:21:03,319 --> 02:21:00,989 Queens New York and if you see the video 3014 02:21:05,389 --> 02:21:03,329 excuse me if you see the video the the 3015 02:21:07,219 --> 02:21:05,399 UFOs are doing like geometric shapes and 3016 02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:07,229 stuff they actually come close and 3017 02:21:11,179 --> 02:21:08,489 they're above his building and they're 3018 02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:11,189 like in a triangular formation so I just 3019 02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:12,479 you know just want to let you know and 3020 02:21:17,179 --> 02:21:13,770 thank you for your work god bless you 3021 02:21:20,540 --> 02:21:17,189 guys continue thank you yeah thank you 3022 02:21:22,010 --> 02:21:20,550 and I don't really know how exactly to 3023 02:21:24,710 --> 02:21:22,020 respond to everything there I mean 3024 02:21:26,660 --> 02:21:24,720 you've clearly seem to have had 3025 02:21:28,489 --> 02:21:26,670 experiences and I guess the best thing 3026 02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,499 to do to anyone who's had experiences 3027 02:21:32,510 --> 02:21:30,720 like that it's it's hard right so the 3028 02:21:36,290 --> 02:21:32,520 best thing that I think we can do is we 3029 02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:36,300 do our best to clearly explain what we 3030 02:21:41,449 --> 02:21:38,399 think has happened and we do our best in 3031 02:21:43,639 --> 02:21:41,459 an imperfect world to to provide that 3032 02:21:44,929 --> 02:21:43,649 case before the rest of the world and it 3033 02:21:47,870 --> 02:21:44,939 seems like maybe you're trying to do 3034 02:21:51,949 --> 02:21:47,880 that so thanks thanks for that I wanted 3035 02:21:53,809 --> 02:21:51,959 to go back to a point that you had made 3036 02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:53,819 earlier and I know that you did I didn't 3037 02:21:57,109 --> 02:21:55,050 get a chance to see it Richard but I 3038 02:22:00,519 --> 02:21:57,119 know that you did a livestream earlier 3039 02:22:04,489 --> 02:22:00,529 this week about infiltration into the 3040 02:22:08,989 --> 02:22:04,499 UFO community and and I'm sure that all 3041 02:22:13,099 --> 02:22:08,999 of us are used to the concept right at 3042 02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:13,109 that this obviously goes on but well I 3043 02:22:18,429 --> 02:22:15,090 want to give you the opportunity to 3044 02:22:22,699 --> 02:22:18,439 explain that a little bit further into 3045 02:22:24,949 --> 02:22:22,709 why would a three-letter agency be 3046 02:22:28,939 --> 02:22:24,959 interested in the UFO community when 3047 02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:28,949 they have been dismissing us for so long 3048 02:22:34,399 --> 02:22:32,130 what's the advantage of of breaking into 3049 02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:34,409 this community with disinformation what 3050 02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:36,890 what did they where do they stand again 3051 02:22:40,620 --> 02:22:38,970 well we'll go back to the Robertson 3052 02:22:41,820 --> 02:22:40,630 panel which would happen 3053 02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:41,830 during the last weekend of Harry 3054 02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:44,290 Truman's presidency or early 1953 you 3055 02:22:49,889 --> 02:22:46,960 have a CIA convened scientific panel 3056 02:22:52,590 --> 02:22:49,899 that really all that they did it was a 3057 02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:52,600 pre a preordained meeting they knew they 3058 02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:54,850 were going to debunk all this all this 3059 02:22:59,910 --> 02:22:56,890 UFO stuff that had been dominating 3060 02:23:02,010 --> 02:22:59,920 American news so the previous year and 3061 02:23:03,330 --> 02:23:02,020 they came down with a recommendation 3062 02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:03,340 that they were going to do a debunking 3063 02:23:07,650 --> 02:23:05,170 campaign in the public working with 3064 02:23:09,929 --> 02:23:07,660 corporations working with major 3065 02:23:12,300 --> 02:23:09,939 celebrities all of this was a no-brainer 3066 02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:12,310 for them and it was never never even a 3067 02:23:18,090 --> 02:23:14,170 question like can we do this by the way 3068 02:23:19,500 --> 02:23:18,100 so the ridicule factor was it was there 3069 02:23:20,639 --> 02:23:19,510 was a decision that was made that this 3070 02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:20,649 is what they were going to do at the 3071 02:23:23,880 --> 02:23:22,090 same time they also made the 3072 02:23:27,660 --> 02:23:23,890 recommendation to infiltrate UFO 3073 02:23:29,219 --> 02:23:27,670 organizations at that same panel and in 3074 02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:29,229 fact they proceeded to do both of those 3075 02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:32,080 things in the immediate aftermath this 3076 02:23:36,420 --> 02:23:33,760 is one reason I think the contact GE 3077 02:23:38,429 --> 02:23:36,430 case is a strong one that it was some 3078 02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:38,439 kind of disinformation because all those 3079 02:23:44,420 --> 02:23:40,240 guys were right after the conclusion of 3080 02:23:47,370 --> 02:23:44,430 the Robertson panel 1953 54 55 and so on 3081 02:23:51,780 --> 02:23:47,380 secondly you have infiltration of a UFO 3082 02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:51,790 organization starting with the group at 3083 02:23:56,100 --> 02:23:54,160 pro was infiltrated as far as the lorenz 3084 02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:56,110 ins who ran it could tell by the late 3085 02:24:02,820 --> 02:24:00,160 1950s at the latest NICAP infiltrated 3086 02:24:07,650 --> 02:24:02,830 right from the beginning in 1956-57 and 3087 02:24:10,170 --> 02:24:07,660 so the point is if you have a subject 3088 02:24:14,660 --> 02:24:10,180 like UFOs that is as important as it is 3089 02:24:17,070 --> 02:24:14,670 to national security and indeed to world 3090 02:24:19,469 --> 02:24:17,080 hierarchical stability the stability of 3091 02:24:21,679 --> 02:24:19,479 the infrastructure of our world then 3092 02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:21,689 you've got to make damn sure that it it 3093 02:24:24,780 --> 02:24:24,130 you maintain as much control over this 3094 02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:24,790 as possible 3095 02:24:29,780 --> 02:24:27,520 in particular if you've acquired UFO 3096 02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:29,790 tech if you've acquired non-human bodies 3097 02:24:35,610 --> 02:24:32,880 like this is the most incredibly 3098 02:24:36,570 --> 02:24:35,620 revolutionary development one can 3099 02:24:39,260 --> 02:24:36,580 possibly imagine 3100 02:24:42,179 --> 02:24:39,270 of course control over that would be 3101 02:24:44,250 --> 02:24:42,189 non-negotiable and so when you find 3102 02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:44,260 these civilian groups that are nosing in 3103 02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:47,110 on it yeah they may not seem like a 3104 02:24:51,210 --> 02:24:49,570 threat initially but you've got a like a 3105 02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:51,220 good chess player if you can think 10 3106 02:24:54,270 --> 02:24:53,170 moves ahead you make sure they never get 3107 02:24:57,030 --> 02:24:54,280 to a point where they'd be 3108 02:24:58,020 --> 02:24:57,040 come a threat the problem is that from 3109 02:24:59,970 --> 02:24:58,030 their point of view is that our 3110 02:25:03,091 --> 02:24:59,980 societies could continued to evolve 3111 02:25:05,610 --> 02:25:03,101 we've become a bit more capable each 3112 02:25:07,171 --> 02:25:05,620 generation in investigating this that's 3113 02:25:09,240 --> 02:25:07,181 the fact like we're better at this now 3114 02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:09,250 than we were 20 years ago and they were 3115 02:25:13,711 --> 02:25:11,050 better than people were 20 years before 3116 02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:13,721 that we are making progress and so it's 3117 02:25:18,330 --> 02:25:15,730 becoming more difficult for the other 3118 02:25:20,430 --> 02:25:18,340 side to continue to contain us so you 3119 02:25:22,501 --> 02:25:20,440 got the ridicule and you've got the 3120 02:25:25,350 --> 02:25:22,511 infiltration they go hand in glove and 3121 02:25:26,881 --> 02:25:25,360 it's not just UFOs by the way so the 3122 02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:26,891 reason that this is such a believable 3123 02:25:32,310 --> 02:25:29,650 scenario I mean aside from the evidence 3124 02:25:34,470 --> 02:25:32,320 which is the dominant thing but also the 3125 02:25:37,220 --> 02:25:34,480 fact that this fits in with the wider 3126 02:25:39,841 --> 02:25:37,230 pattern of US intelligence community 3127 02:25:41,370 --> 02:25:39,851 COINTELPRO and Mockingbird type 3128 02:25:43,470 --> 02:25:41,380 operations which have been going on 3129 02:25:45,810 --> 02:25:43,480 throughout the entire since World War 3130 02:25:47,671 --> 02:25:45,820 two like we know this has happened this 3131 02:25:50,310 --> 02:25:47,681 is how the United States national 3132 02:25:54,660 --> 02:25:50,320 security apparatus operates it's what 3133 02:25:59,251 --> 02:25:54,670 they do they infiltrate they derail they 3134 02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:59,261 ridicule they keep their opponents or 3135 02:26:03,060 --> 02:26:01,120 who they believe are opponents off their 3136 02:26:04,770 --> 02:26:03,070 game to the maximum extent possible and 3137 02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:04,780 you know what they're really good at 3138 02:26:07,171 --> 02:26:06,610 what they do they're really good at what 3139 02:26:10,830 --> 02:26:07,181 they do 3140 02:26:12,780 --> 02:26:10,840 so it's that is why like if we're gonna 3141 02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:12,790 get into this game and we're gonna fight 3142 02:26:20,040 --> 02:26:15,280 this battle it is absolutely critical 3143 02:26:22,381 --> 02:26:20,050 for us to be as clear-headed as rational 3144 02:26:24,540 --> 02:26:22,391 and non-emotional 3145 02:26:27,751 --> 02:26:24,550 and Here I am saying and raising my 3146 02:26:31,230 --> 02:26:27,761 voice but not emotional as we can be so 3147 02:26:34,140 --> 02:26:31,240 that we we keep our heads because this 3148 02:26:37,470 --> 02:26:34,150 is like there's a lot going on around us 3149 02:26:39,900 --> 02:26:37,480 here and when again just to circle back 3150 02:26:42,690 --> 02:26:39,910 to where we started here to the the 3151 02:26:44,671 --> 02:26:42,700 claims of people like Corey Goode 3152 02:26:46,860 --> 02:26:44,681 you know the whole trademarking thing to 3153 02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:46,870 me is almost like a sideshow it's an 3154 02:26:51,930 --> 02:26:50,170 embarrassment it's sorted and you know 3155 02:26:53,551 --> 02:26:51,940 it's too bad for him and everyone else 3156 02:26:55,350 --> 02:26:53,561 involved that this comes out because it 3157 02:26:55,740 --> 02:26:55,360 doesn't make anyone look good that's for 3158 02:26:57,450 --> 02:26:55,750 sure 3159 02:27:01,051 --> 02:26:57,460 but the real important thing about this 3160 02:27:02,610 --> 02:27:01,061 is that it's been a distraction and it's 3161 02:27:04,921 --> 02:27:02,620 been something that's made this 3162 02:27:07,519 --> 02:27:04,931 community run around in circles in the 3163 02:27:10,909 --> 02:27:07,529 most unproductive way 3164 02:27:13,579 --> 02:27:10,919 and it has been utterly divisive it has 3165 02:27:14,989 --> 02:27:13,589 not been good for unity if that's what 3166 02:27:18,409 --> 02:27:14,999 people care about it's been a 3167 02:27:21,529 --> 02:27:18,419 distraction and I don't know that it's 3168 02:27:27,169 --> 02:27:21,539 an op but it sure looks like one feels 3169 02:27:29,479 --> 02:27:27,179 feels feels AAPIs absolutely does and 3170 02:27:31,309 --> 02:27:29,489 not everyone in you know look I'm gonna 3171 02:27:33,469 --> 02:27:31,319 give him the benefit of the doubt like I 3172 02:27:37,069 --> 02:27:33,479 don't I don't know that he knows he's in 3173 02:27:39,649 --> 02:27:37,079 an OP but people are often useful for 3174 02:27:42,829 --> 02:27:39,659 the intelligence community without even 3175 02:27:45,769 --> 02:27:42,839 knowing like there's always someone out 3176 02:27:47,539 --> 02:27:45,779 there who's got to like want to make 3177 02:27:51,019 --> 02:27:47,549 their name want to be famous want to do 3178 02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:51,029 whatever and by doing so they play into 3179 02:27:56,839 --> 02:27:53,369 the hands of those organizations that 3180 02:27:59,869 --> 02:27:56,849 are looking to bring disrepute on on a 3181 02:28:03,169 --> 02:27:59,879 particular subject so you know it could 3182 02:28:06,349 --> 02:28:03,179 be that I knowingly does these things I 3183 02:28:11,749 --> 02:28:06,359 don't know ego sucks he goes to some 3184 02:28:13,669 --> 02:28:11,759 well you know I know we that's what I'm 3185 02:28:16,729 --> 02:28:13,679 trying to say you know you know at 3186 02:28:19,789 --> 02:28:16,739 DEFCON and if you've never been to a 3187 02:28:22,789 --> 02:28:19,799 DEFCON Richard in Las Vegas the hackers 3188 02:28:24,979 --> 02:28:22,799 conference you need to go and one and 3189 02:28:26,659 --> 02:28:24,989 hackers on planet earth right there in 3190 02:28:30,109 --> 02:28:26,669 New York you should go to that one at 3191 02:28:32,719 --> 02:28:30,119 the Roosevelt but that being said they 3192 02:28:36,979 --> 02:28:32,729 play a game they're at DEFCON called 3193 02:28:39,619 --> 02:28:36,989 spot the Fed right and they play it and 3194 02:28:42,379 --> 02:28:39,629 the feds are all into it you get a spot 3195 02:28:43,819 --> 02:28:42,389 the Fed t-shirt where they they'll stop 3196 02:28:45,499 --> 02:28:43,829 the conference they'll you know a 3197 02:28:48,889 --> 02:28:45,509 thousand people in the audience they'll 3198 02:28:51,109 --> 02:28:48,899 stop and play stop a spot the Fed well 3199 02:28:54,889 --> 02:28:51,119 they'll bring up it they'll literally 3200 02:28:56,659 --> 02:28:54,899 will say anybody here can point out a 3201 02:28:59,119 --> 02:28:56,669 Fed somebody's going to raise their hand 3202 02:29:01,819 --> 02:28:59,129 they stand up they point over that 3203 02:29:03,859 --> 02:29:01,829 dude's a Fed they'll make that guy stand 3204 02:29:06,139 --> 02:29:03,869 up they'll bring them up onto the stage 3205 02:29:10,219 --> 02:29:06,149 and they'll play five questions right 3206 02:29:12,589 --> 02:29:10,229 and and and find out now the feds they 3207 02:29:15,619 --> 02:29:12,599 don't mind it if you get busted and you 3208 02:29:17,921 --> 02:29:15,629 are a Fed you get a t-shirt I was I was 3209 02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:17,931 I was spotted at Def Con 3210 02:29:23,861 --> 02:29:20,690 falling in fun right we should do that 3211 02:29:25,661 --> 02:29:23,871 we should play spot the Fed had contact 3212 02:29:27,970 --> 02:29:25,671 in the desert Oh God 3213 02:29:30,911 --> 02:29:27,980 right I think people do it people love 3214 02:29:32,711 --> 02:29:30,921 to do it why I'm thinking you know I 3215 02:29:35,651 --> 02:29:32,721 hope DEFCON doesn't have it trademarked 3216 02:29:36,821 --> 02:29:35,661 I think it's like our field I know we're 3217 02:29:39,940 --> 02:29:36,831 running out of time and I'm gonna wrap 3218 02:29:44,251 --> 02:29:39,950 this up yes the UFO field has become a 3219 02:29:47,321 --> 02:29:44,261 kind of a comical egomaniacal 3220 02:29:50,081 --> 02:29:47,331 narcissistic cultish sort of an 3221 02:29:51,371 --> 02:29:50,091 embarrassment in so many ways and I'm 3222 02:29:52,781 --> 02:29:51,381 not gonna get it to other names it's 3223 02:29:54,730 --> 02:29:52,791 like well I couldn't have the wars you 3224 02:29:56,980 --> 02:29:54,740 know I'm not into it but anyone who 3225 02:30:01,390 --> 02:29:56,990 knows the field knows like they just 3226 02:30:02,980 --> 02:30:01,400 know and when you turn yourself into you 3227 02:30:05,470 --> 02:30:02,990 know the next latest greatest savior 3228 02:30:07,541 --> 02:30:05,480 then I think people need to be very very 3229 02:30:10,871 --> 02:30:07,551 suspicious of you 3230 02:30:14,171 --> 02:30:10,881 no one is the savior and we are truly in 3231 02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:14,181 this together and unfortunately though 3232 02:30:20,951 --> 02:30:18,110 there's this I think maybe it's part of 3233 02:30:23,761 --> 02:30:20,961 human nature we want people want to find 3234 02:30:26,201 --> 02:30:23,771 someone who's got all the answers and 3235 02:30:28,331 --> 02:30:26,211 nobody does that bad 3236 02:30:30,730 --> 02:30:28,341 nobody does Richard nobody knows always 3237 02:30:32,801 --> 02:30:30,740 there's always people willing to be that 3238 02:30:34,961 --> 02:30:32,811 person there's always people out there 3239 02:30:36,791 --> 02:30:34,971 willing to be the person who pretends to 3240 02:30:39,640 --> 02:30:36,801 have all the answers and that's 3241 02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:39,650 unfortunate yeah nobody knows you know 3242 02:30:44,861 --> 02:30:42,650 nobody out of everybody Richard in our 3243 02:30:48,730 --> 02:30:44,871 community one of the craziest best 3244 02:30:51,491 --> 02:30:48,740 quotes I ever got on this show was from 3245 02:30:53,111 --> 02:30:51,501 Giorgio tsoukalos and I and I and I 3246 02:30:54,850 --> 02:30:53,121 quote him all the time and this is what 3247 02:30:57,430 --> 02:30:54,860 he said well I think it was last year 3248 02:31:00,671 --> 02:30:57,440 maybe it was two years ago but he said 3249 02:31:03,730 --> 02:31:00,681 on this program he said Jimmy when et 3250 02:31:07,001 --> 02:31:03,740 lands and we start communicating and 3251 02:31:09,071 --> 02:31:07,011 we're talking and we are able to get the 3252 02:31:16,451 --> 02:31:09,081 answers that we seek we will find out 3253 02:31:19,121 --> 02:31:16,461 one thing that we were all wrong stop 3254 02:31:21,791 --> 02:31:19,131 and just think about the significance of 3255 02:31:23,921 --> 02:31:21,801 that statement right and and I think 3256 02:31:26,831 --> 02:31:23,931 he's spot on the money I think he is 3257 02:31:29,050 --> 02:31:26,841 spot on everybody I'm not so sure we'll 3258 02:31:32,830 --> 02:31:29,060 have to we'll have to revisit that yeah 3259 02:31:35,469 --> 02:31:32,840 you know I'm pretty confident and I 3260 02:31:37,300 --> 02:31:35,479 think that's a pretty safe bet that we 3261 02:31:39,099 --> 02:31:37,310 are all wrong certainly there's 3262 02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:39,109 certainly a lot that I don't know that 3263 02:31:45,990 --> 02:31:42,770 no one knows and yes I will agree with 3264 02:31:49,929 --> 02:31:46,000 that but I do think that we are in fact 3265 02:31:52,090 --> 02:31:49,939 making some strides in our understanding 3266 02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:52,100 of what is going on maybe slowly maybe 3267 02:31:58,300 --> 02:31:54,409 haltingly but I do think we have the 3268 02:32:00,069 --> 02:31:58,310 capability to to pierce through this 3269 02:32:02,469 --> 02:32:00,079 most amazing it's the most amazing of 3270 02:32:04,450 --> 02:32:02,479 mysteries is this UFO phenomenon and 3271 02:32:06,219 --> 02:32:04,460 even what we call UFOs it's more than 3272 02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:06,229 about unidentified flying objects that's 3273 02:32:11,410 --> 02:32:08,560 just like a little placeholder for this 3274 02:32:14,290 --> 02:32:11,420 amazing thing that we find ourselves 3275 02:32:17,319 --> 02:32:14,300 exploring but I believe that we have the 3276 02:32:19,599 --> 02:32:17,329 ability if we trust our reason if we 3277 02:32:21,729 --> 02:32:19,609 trust our investigative capabilities to 3278 02:32:23,620 --> 02:32:21,739 continue to make genuine progress in it 3279 02:32:25,300 --> 02:32:23,630 and to figure at least a few things out 3280 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:25,310 well what do you I would have thought 3281 02:32:31,599 --> 02:32:30,170 that we had disclosure in in 2018 it 3282 02:32:33,910 --> 02:32:31,609 didn't happen we had a pretty good 3283 02:32:36,069 --> 02:32:33,920 momentum there at the end of about 2017 3284 02:32:36,969 --> 02:32:36,079 and seemed like things were about to 3285 02:32:39,399 --> 02:32:36,979 bust wide open 3286 02:32:41,349 --> 02:32:39,409 I still feel pretty confident that we're 3287 02:32:43,450 --> 02:32:41,359 on the edge of something pretty big here 3288 02:32:47,710 --> 02:32:43,460 exploding what do you think disclosure 3289 02:32:50,769 --> 02:32:47,720 in 2019 I've I go back and forth on it I 3290 02:32:52,929 --> 02:32:50,779 feel like there actually is I I sense 3291 02:32:57,189 --> 02:32:52,939 this is only my feeling that there is a 3292 02:32:58,840 --> 02:32:57,199 kind of speeding up a little bit I do 3293 02:33:01,569 --> 02:32:58,850 think so I think I think there is this 3294 02:33:03,639 --> 02:33:01,579 it's a greater and greater amount of 3295 02:33:07,809 --> 02:33:03,649 pressure that is coming from below from 3296 02:33:10,260 --> 02:33:07,819 us that those people who have got this 3297 02:33:14,250 --> 02:33:10,270 information who got the secret 3298 02:33:17,469 --> 02:33:14,260 increasingly are bit by bit or maybe 3299 02:33:21,309 --> 02:33:17,479 grudgingly responding to but I also 3300 02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:21,319 think that you know there are secret 3301 02:33:26,200 --> 02:33:23,840 keepers and I would say they probably 3302 02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:26,210 have a very good plan to hold on to this 3303 02:33:30,250 --> 02:33:27,680 secret and control over it for as long 3304 02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:30,260 as possible maybe five years maybe ten 3305 02:33:34,510 --> 02:33:32,329 years maybe twenty years like as long as 3306 02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:34,520 they can they're gonna do it because 3307 02:33:38,290 --> 02:33:36,170 it's in their interest to drag this out 3308 02:33:41,469 --> 02:33:38,300 for them as long as possible because the 3309 02:33:42,550 --> 02:33:41,479 repercussions of a true disclosure all 3310 02:33:44,979 --> 02:33:42,560 right 3311 02:33:47,319 --> 02:33:44,989 and not even a complete disclosure just 3312 02:33:49,179 --> 02:33:47,329 a true one like if if the president were 3313 02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:49,189 to say yes there are aliens here like 3314 02:33:56,649 --> 02:33:51,850 that if that would have happened the 3315 02:33:59,410 --> 02:33:56,659 repercussions would be profound and many 3316 02:34:01,809 --> 02:33:59,420 and multifaceted and would affect every 3317 02:34:05,139 --> 02:34:01,819 aspect of our society and so it's too 3318 02:34:06,939 --> 02:34:05,149 unstable it and and those people who are 3319 02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:06,949 responsible who think they're 3320 02:34:10,210 --> 02:34:08,329 responsible I think they could never 3321 02:34:12,309 --> 02:34:10,220 give up the secret willingly this is why 3322 02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:12,319 I never believed ever that John Podesta 3323 02:34:18,069 --> 02:34:13,850 or Hillary Clinton were ever going to be 3324 02:34:19,630 --> 02:34:18,079 disclosure like if Hillary had become 3325 02:34:22,120 --> 02:34:19,640 president that she would be a disclosure 3326 02:34:24,130 --> 02:34:22,130 president as Mary people had said I will 3327 02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:24,140 never believe that I never I don't think 3328 02:34:29,229 --> 02:34:27,470 that that was ever legit because they 3329 02:34:30,729 --> 02:34:29,239 may be criminals like all the 3330 02:34:34,090 --> 02:34:30,739 politicians up there are but they're not 3331 02:34:38,229 --> 02:34:34,100 dumb like they understand that this is a 3332 02:34:39,729 --> 02:34:38,239 very very volatile subject and I firmly 3333 02:34:43,210 --> 02:34:39,739 believe all they they were doing was 3334 02:34:45,729 --> 02:34:43,220 just recognizing by 2016 that there was 3335 02:34:47,979 --> 02:34:45,739 a bit of a UFO vote they were playing to 3336 02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:47,989 the crowd they were I don't UFOs have 3337 02:34:52,899 --> 02:34:50,810 become cool enough that you could talk 3338 02:34:55,660 --> 02:34:52,909 about it on Jimmy Kimmel and I think 3339 02:34:57,880 --> 02:34:55,670 they just recognize that you're going to 3340 02:35:00,069 --> 02:34:57,890 be let's talk about a few things really 3341 02:35:01,599 --> 02:35:00,079 quick before we say goodnight what are 3342 02:35:07,300 --> 02:35:01,609 you doing this weekend are you gonna go 3343 02:35:09,399 --> 02:35:07,310 hang out with some folks I'm Tracy 3344 02:35:11,469 --> 02:35:09,409 sitting right here and she's she runs my 3345 02:35:16,029 --> 02:35:11,479 schedule so I think I think we're gonna 3346 02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,039 be here one day every day we wake up we 3347 02:35:18,939 --> 02:35:17,840 go to our website I have a website 3348 02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:18,949 Richard alum members and I'm just gonna 3349 02:35:24,760 --> 02:35:21,439 say it it's a great place to go we work 3350 02:35:27,160 --> 02:35:24,770 at every single day it never stops 3351 02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:27,170 I thought alien Con was this weekend in 3352 02:35:39,099 --> 02:35:36,319 Baltimore oh not this weekend so this 3353 02:35:41,380 --> 02:35:39,109 will be fun yeah okay so that's that and 3354 02:35:44,260 --> 02:35:41,390 then I thought it was this weekend it 3355 02:35:46,210 --> 02:35:44,270 goes to show you what I know and I'm 3356 02:35:48,940 --> 02:35:46,220 gonna do yard work you're gonna do yard 3357 02:35:51,540 --> 02:35:48,950 that's what I did this weekend and 3358 02:35:54,490 --> 02:35:51,550 then let's see what are you doing in 3359 02:35:58,480 --> 02:35:54,500 2019 conscious life Expo you're coming 3360 02:36:02,110 --> 02:35:58,490 out for that no that's fine I will be 3361 02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:02,120 doing contact in a desert I've got to 3362 02:36:06,300 --> 02:36:04,490 finish up my little application for that 3363 02:36:09,250 --> 02:36:06,310 but they want me out there for that and 3364 02:36:14,830 --> 02:36:09,260 we're Tracy and I are doing an event in 3365 02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:14,840 Manchester UK in July July oh man 3366 02:36:20,170 --> 02:36:17,210 that's out there I think we're doing a 3367 02:36:23,260 --> 02:36:20,180 couple of other things I honestly here's 3368 02:36:25,630 --> 02:36:23,270 my thing like I I'm trying I want to 3369 02:36:28,210 --> 02:36:25,640 travel a little less than I have in the 3370 02:36:30,910 --> 02:36:28,220 past it's I there's there's writing 3371 02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:30,920 there's work I gotta do and the thing is 3372 02:36:36,460 --> 02:36:33,050 like when you travel I know about other 3373 02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:36,470 people like when I travel I mean you I 3374 02:36:40,929 --> 02:36:37,850 just can't write I can't get anything 3375 02:36:42,429 --> 02:36:40,939 done it's very very tough and I I 3376 02:36:44,800 --> 02:36:42,439 learned from the travels I gained 3377 02:36:46,510 --> 02:36:44,810 knowledge from other people when I 3378 02:36:49,620 --> 02:36:46,520 travel people who attend these 3379 02:36:52,360 --> 02:36:49,630 conferences the attendees are the real 3380 02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:52,370 education and they always happen for me 3381 02:36:56,590 --> 02:36:55,280 so I gained from it but I also it's hard 3382 02:36:59,860 --> 02:36:56,600 for me to get a lot of fresh work done 3383 02:37:02,290 --> 02:36:59,870 so I'm trying to hunker down and get 3384 02:37:04,719 --> 02:37:02,300 some projects done it's a very important 3385 02:37:07,540 --> 02:37:04,729 for me personally well thank you so much 3386 02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:07,550 and an alien con is coming up in 3387 02:37:13,090 --> 02:37:10,010 November and I was kind of joking about 3388 02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:13,100 that but um the thing is Richard and I 3389 02:37:18,219 --> 02:37:16,160 totally agree with you two years ago 3390 02:37:21,640 --> 02:37:18,229 three years ago Reid and I were doing 12 3391 02:37:25,090 --> 02:37:21,650 14 events a year and it just got to be 3392 02:37:28,510 --> 02:37:25,100 too much there was everything else that 3393 02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:28,520 we wanted to accomplish for an entire 3394 02:37:32,770 --> 02:37:31,280 year didn't get done and we had that we 3395 02:37:34,810 --> 02:37:32,780 had to back up so you should do the same 3396 02:37:37,450 --> 02:37:34,820 thing just slow it down a little bit and 3397 02:37:41,530 --> 02:37:37,460 so you can finish a false flag and I 3398 02:37:43,090 --> 02:37:41,540 don't have to bother you about it I've 3399 02:37:45,250 --> 02:37:43,100 got other projects that are that are 3400 02:37:47,860 --> 02:37:45,260 calling me the conference's you know 3401 02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:47,870 they're seductive the good ones are very 3402 02:37:52,210 --> 02:37:49,760 very nice to go to they're fun and I'm 3403 02:37:53,679 --> 02:37:52,220 not gonna deny it no duh and there's 3404 02:37:55,600 --> 02:37:53,689 folks out there who really like to 3405 02:37:57,880 --> 02:37:55,610 about the conference's and think well 3406 02:38:00,400 --> 02:37:57,890 but the fact is like they would want to 3407 02:38:02,500 --> 02:38:00,410 go because they're enjoyable you get to 3408 02:38:05,679 --> 02:38:02,510 meet a lot of really great people and 3409 02:38:07,510 --> 02:38:05,689 it's definitely fun but the thing is and 3410 02:38:10,269 --> 02:38:07,520 and and they're all so good and that 3411 02:38:12,219 --> 02:38:10,279 they forced me to to develop fresh ideas 3412 02:38:14,529 --> 02:38:12,229 like if I'm asked to give a presentation 3413 02:38:15,790 --> 02:38:14,539 like I I've got to really think things 3414 02:38:19,989 --> 02:38:15,800 through and I don't like giving the same 3415 02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:19,999 presentations so it forces me into fresh 3416 02:38:24,340 --> 02:38:22,489 thinking which is is good for me so it's 3417 02:38:27,580 --> 02:38:24,350 not like nothing gets done a lot gets 3418 02:38:30,760 --> 02:38:27,590 done but writing on on projects that 3419 02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:30,770 I've been working on like a conference 3420 02:38:36,370 --> 02:38:32,960 will take a good week out of my life 3421 02:38:37,960 --> 02:38:36,380 like you know prep for it getting things 3422 02:38:40,359 --> 02:38:37,970 ready for that coming back jet lag 3423 02:38:41,769 --> 02:38:40,369 whatever so it does it takes a little 3424 02:38:43,450 --> 02:38:41,779 bit out and I'm not trying to get 3425 02:38:45,279 --> 02:38:43,460 sympathy but it is it's just one of 3426 02:38:47,620 --> 02:38:45,289 those things and it's just part of the 3427 02:38:50,500 --> 02:38:47,630 game but I'm trying to step back just a 3428 02:38:52,179 --> 02:38:50,510 little bit just a little bit to get a 3429 02:38:54,429 --> 02:38:52,189 little bit more work done thank you so 3430 02:38:56,920 --> 02:38:54,439 much Richard and give my best to Tracy 3431 02:38:59,380 --> 02:38:56,930 be safe and be well yes sir thank you 3432 02:39:02,979 --> 02:38:59,390 Richard bleep and Dolan go trade market 3433 02:39:04,989 --> 02:39:02,989 I'll talk to you Richard great night 3434 02:39:07,090 --> 02:39:04,999 it's fade to black I'm Meryl super 3435 02:39:08,649 --> 02:39:07,100 Church I'll be right back after this 3436 02:39:11,570 --> 02:39:08,659 short break I'll open up the phone lines 3437 02:39:14,929 --> 02:39:11,580 just because I'll be right back 3438 02:39:22,320 --> 02:39:14,939 [Music] 3439 02:39:25,140 --> 02:39:22,330 Jimmy Church radio calm this is kg are a 3440 02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:25,150 digital broadcasting station Salt Lake 3441 02:39:29,400 --> 02:39:26,170 City Utah 3442 02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:29,410 Van Buren Arkansas poor water quality is 3443 02:39:32,100 --> 02:39:31,090 a major health issue and it's only 3444 02:39:34,020 --> 02:39:32,110 getting worse 3445 02:39:35,820 --> 02:39:34,030 municipalities can't keep up standards 3446 02:39:38,969 --> 02:39:35,830 have dropped and pollutants are 3447 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network and K GRA the global radio 3546 02:44:07,510 --> 02:43:55,770 alliance 3547 02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:09,590 welcome back fade to black 3548 02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:11,850 I want to thank Richard Owen Richard 3549 02:44:18,610 --> 02:44:15,840 bleep and Dolan that was a great 3550 02:44:23,230 --> 02:44:21,610 all of it and I've opened up the phone 3551 02:44:25,630 --> 02:44:23,240 lines three two three eight to five five 3552 02:44:29,080 --> 02:44:25,640 zero four or five or three to three to 3553 02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:29,090 seven five nine six nine five or eight 3554 02:44:33,910 --> 02:44:31,130 one eight nine to one six nine to nine 3555 02:44:36,250 --> 02:44:33,920 so I've got enough time for a couple of 3556 02:44:37,841 --> 02:44:36,260 phone calls here before we got to say 3557 02:44:41,560 --> 02:44:37,851 goodnight tomorrow night Laura 3558 02:44:43,780 --> 02:44:41,570 Eisenhower is going to be here get ready 3559 02:44:46,841 --> 02:44:43,790 for that too as well and with that let's 3560 02:44:50,470 --> 02:44:46,851 go to area code 702 you're up next on 3561 02:44:52,301 --> 02:44:50,480 fade to black who's calling I reckon 3562 02:44:55,150 --> 02:44:52,311 that's my it's Mike all right this is 3563 02:44:58,630 --> 02:44:55,160 John Richard's not here yeah okay sorry 3564 02:45:01,000 --> 02:44:58,640 yeah Jimmy uh first thing I just want to 3565 02:45:04,170 --> 02:45:01,010 give you like crazy crops on the way you 3566 02:45:06,910 --> 02:45:04,180 do interviews because you always bring 3567 02:45:08,801 --> 02:45:06,920 your knowledge but you never really 3568 02:45:12,400 --> 02:45:08,811 bring your ego you're like you have this 3569 02:45:15,011 --> 02:45:12,410 like curiosity and and I love to hear 3570 02:45:19,841 --> 02:45:15,021 you treat your guests that way it's 3571 02:45:23,470 --> 02:45:19,851 amazing though yeah I'm here I'm 3572 02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:23,480 listening to you okay okay okay sorry so 3573 02:45:27,761 --> 02:45:26,690 I was listening to to Richard and and 3574 02:45:29,950 --> 02:45:27,771 there's something that I've been trying 3575 02:45:34,801 --> 02:45:29,960 to articulate in my brain for a long 3576 02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:38,230 when when people approach these kind of 3577 02:45:47,170 --> 02:45:44,050 subjects it's almost a totally binary 3578 02:45:50,850 --> 02:45:47,180 argument like if you are willing to 3579 02:45:53,560 --> 02:45:50,860 believe that there is something going on 3580 02:45:57,400 --> 02:45:53,570 then you're willing to believe that 3581 02:45:59,950 --> 02:45:57,410 there is a lot of really crazy stuff 3582 02:46:01,030 --> 02:45:59,960 going on you know and if you're not 3583 02:46:02,801 --> 02:46:01,040 willing to believe that there's 3584 02:46:05,710 --> 02:46:02,811 something going on then you almost 3585 02:46:07,390 --> 02:46:05,720 dismiss everything out of hand and so 3586 02:46:10,540 --> 02:46:07,400 once you start going down the rabbit 3587 02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,550 hole then you can really go a long way 3588 02:46:13,511 --> 02:46:12,080 down the rabbit hole but it's like you 3589 02:46:15,761 --> 02:46:13,521 have to take that first step down the 3590 02:46:17,320 --> 02:46:15,771 rabbit hole and that's all I just as I 3591 02:46:18,580 --> 02:46:17,330 was listening to Richard it really 3592 02:46:20,890 --> 02:46:18,590 occurred to me because I have a lot of 3593 02:46:24,700 --> 02:46:20,900 friends that that think I'm sort of 3594 02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:24,710 crazy but it's it really is like the 3595 02:46:29,500 --> 02:46:26,960 first step is the one step that that 3596 02:46:31,511 --> 02:46:29,510 matters the most and after that you can 3597 02:46:32,301 --> 02:46:31,521 really take a whole bunch of steps after 3598 02:46:37,820 --> 02:46:32,311 that 3599 02:46:39,591 --> 02:46:37,830 said and I can't even remember what it 3600 02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:39,601 was that there's something he said that 3601 02:46:42,980 --> 02:46:41,610 sort of made me realize that's really 3602 02:46:44,211 --> 02:46:42,990 what it is you just have to be willing 3603 02:46:46,461 --> 02:46:44,221 to take that first step 3604 02:46:47,870 --> 02:46:46,471 yeah you have to you have to and thank 3605 02:46:49,430 --> 02:46:47,880 you for the phone call I really 3606 02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:49,440 appreciate it 3607 02:47:00,230 --> 02:46:53,130 one of the aspects to all of this is 3608 02:47:03,230 --> 02:47:00,240 that when you when you witness something 3609 02:47:04,940 --> 02:47:03,240 and it doesn't matter what it is it 3610 02:47:07,610 --> 02:47:04,950 doesn't matter it could be something in 3611 02:47:10,761 --> 02:47:07,620 the sky it could be something in your 3612 02:47:13,310 --> 02:47:10,771 room it could be an orb whatever it is 3613 02:47:14,680 --> 02:47:13,320 it's just a but once you see something 3614 02:47:18,921 --> 02:47:14,690 that you can't explain 3615 02:47:22,841 --> 02:47:18,931 and you take things to another level 3616 02:47:26,120 --> 02:47:22,851 it is you understand at that point that 3617 02:47:27,740 --> 02:47:26,130 things could be very very crazy now look 3618 02:47:32,060 --> 02:47:27,750 I've seen stuff in the skies I've seen 3619 02:47:34,730 --> 02:47:32,070 this that that that that orb that I saw 3620 02:47:36,650 --> 02:47:34,740 up at ecity that flat orb that came out 3621 02:47:38,211 --> 02:47:36,660 from behind the trees and was out 3622 02:47:38,751 --> 02:47:38,221 against the field out there in the 3623 02:47:41,301 --> 02:47:38,761 distance 3624 02:47:43,940 --> 02:47:41,311 look I've that is one of the craziest 3625 02:47:48,290 --> 02:47:43,950 things that I've ever had come out of my 3626 02:47:50,961 --> 02:47:48,300 mouth and I'm trying to tell people what 3627 02:47:53,720 --> 02:47:50,971 I witnessed everybody else did too I 3628 02:47:55,341 --> 02:47:53,730 wasn't the only one that saw this but 3629 02:47:57,290 --> 02:47:55,351 wait a minute here 3630 02:48:01,280 --> 02:47:57,300 that's not supposed to be happening in 3631 02:48:04,370 --> 02:48:01,290 in real life is it a big flat 50-foot 3632 02:48:06,381 --> 02:48:04,380 flat not even a sphere a flat 3633 02:48:10,341 --> 02:48:06,391 sitting out of the edge of the field it 3634 02:48:14,360 --> 02:48:10,351 just appeared and then went away now 3635 02:48:17,511 --> 02:48:14,370 look I can't explain that but if that is 3636 02:48:19,461 --> 02:48:17,521 real then what else out there that is 3637 02:48:22,280 --> 02:48:19,471 not supposed to be happening actually 3638 02:48:25,430 --> 02:48:22,290 happening and that's where you just you 3639 02:48:27,381 --> 02:48:25,440 you it's not a leap of faith it's not 3640 02:48:29,841 --> 02:48:27,391 about faith that is something that is 3641 02:48:31,940 --> 02:48:29,851 actually existing out out in front of me 3642 02:48:35,180 --> 02:48:31,950 so I don't know you know I don't know 3643 02:48:37,251 --> 02:48:35,190 that's why I listen to everybody I can't 3644 02:48:38,810 --> 02:48:37,261 really say what is real and what is not 3645 02:48:41,270 --> 02:48:38,820 anymore let's go back to the phones 3646 02:48:44,270 --> 02:48:41,280 area code seven to zero you're up next 3647 02:48:45,890 --> 02:48:44,280 I'm fade to black hey what's up Jim Ann 3648 02:48:48,620 --> 02:48:45,900 who's this 3649 02:48:51,180 --> 02:48:48,630 my name is Marc I'm from Colorado 3650 02:48:56,100 --> 02:48:51,190 first-time caller man hey Marc how are 3651 02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:56,110 you good I did two in spirit of taking 3652 02:48:59,400 --> 02:48:58,000 that first step I wanted to share my 3653 02:49:01,410 --> 02:48:59,410 story with you real quick if I could 3654 02:49:04,350 --> 02:49:01,420 yeah we got a couple minutes here before 3655 02:49:06,030 --> 02:49:04,360 the top of the hour go ahead mark real 3656 02:49:08,070 --> 02:49:06,040 quick yeah about four years ago I was 3657 02:49:09,900 --> 02:49:08,080 driving down the road and I saw what 3658 02:49:13,020 --> 02:49:09,910 looks like a helicopter except for I 3659 02:49:16,110 --> 02:49:13,030 didn't hear anything so I was sitting at 3660 02:49:18,631 --> 02:49:16,120 a stoplight looking at it like what the 3661 02:49:20,310 --> 02:49:18,641 hell like it's not doing anything so I 3662 02:49:23,460 --> 02:49:20,320 pulled over and I was just watching this 3663 02:49:26,761 --> 02:49:23,470 thing and it seems like know that I was 3664 02:49:29,400 --> 02:49:26,771 watching it it turned into a star it 3665 02:49:31,950 --> 02:49:29,410 looked like like it kind of faded and 3666 02:49:32,430 --> 02:49:31,960 turned into a star in effect that's what 3667 02:49:34,320 --> 02:49:32,440 it looked like 3668 02:49:36,810 --> 02:49:34,330 mm-hmm and I was looking at it like nah 3669 02:49:41,631 --> 02:49:36,820 man you're not a star I saw you moving 3670 02:49:44,400 --> 02:49:41,641 and about a minute later it like shot 3671 02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:44,410 across the sky like the Starship 3672 02:49:50,430 --> 02:49:47,650 Enterprise and disappeared I don't know 3673 02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:50,440 if it was like some secret program or 3674 02:49:55,350 --> 02:49:53,530 what it was but definitely something see 3675 02:49:56,910 --> 02:49:55,360 and that's all it takes you know it's 3676 02:49:59,310 --> 02:49:56,920 something like that where you go okay 3677 02:50:01,320 --> 02:49:59,320 well things are not what they seem to be 3678 02:50:02,970 --> 02:50:01,330 you know and that's all it takes and 3679 02:50:06,540 --> 02:50:02,980 then you just go and question everything 3680 02:50:08,250 --> 02:50:06,550 and and and and start to research but I 3681 02:50:10,171 --> 02:50:08,260 I'm totally with you that must have been 3682 02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:10,181 a pretty fun thing to go through because 3683 02:50:15,540 --> 02:50:13,210 wait and it was a warp 9.5 I'm telling I 3684 02:50:17,131 --> 02:50:15,550 think that things disappeared and Mark 3685 02:50:18,841 --> 02:50:17,141 that's an epiphany that's a 3686 02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:18,851 life-changing thing and thank you for 3687 02:50:23,761 --> 02:50:21,610 sharing that with us yeah you got a min 3688 02:50:27,450 --> 02:50:23,771 yeah thank you Mark that's a great phone 3689 02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:27,460 call right there let's okay you know 3690 02:50:35,011 --> 02:50:29,550 what I'm just gonna do this just because 3691 02:50:38,430 --> 02:50:35,021 hey Eric how are you good Eric yes I 3692 02:50:41,150 --> 02:50:38,440 know how are you are we live yeah we're 3693 02:50:44,430 --> 02:50:41,160 live right now I brought you straight in 3694 02:50:45,900 --> 02:50:44,440 yeah I'm doing good I'm kicking back 3695 02:50:47,790 --> 02:50:45,910 watching the Lakers it's like two 3696 02:50:49,710 --> 02:50:47,800 minutes to go in the game of the tide it 3697 02:50:54,720 --> 02:50:49,720 could maybe they'll win their first game 3698 02:50:56,580 --> 02:50:54,730 any fights not yet not yet okay good 3699 02:50:58,140 --> 02:50:56,590 good so if they lose they'll probably be 3700 02:50:59,160 --> 02:50:58,150 a fine I think please gonna come out of 3701 02:51:00,599 --> 02:50:59,170 the crowd and just 3702 02:51:02,939 --> 02:51:00,609 particular guitar and whacking people 3703 02:51:04,380 --> 02:51:02,949 yeah right on right on 3704 02:51:06,450 --> 02:51:04,390 so what do you think about the 3705 02:51:11,189 --> 02:51:06,460 conversation tonight with a mr. Richard 3706 02:51:13,649 --> 02:51:11,199 Dolan I was great but okay 3707 02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:13,659 so um I'm just gonna ask the question 3708 02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:14,890 that I bet probably more than a half 3709 02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:17,920 your listeners want one asked and then 3710 02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:19,810 this is no knock I'm not trying to knock 3711 02:51:25,139 --> 02:51:21,600 or put anybody on the spot here but 3712 02:51:26,910 --> 02:51:25,149 you're you know David Wilcock I know you 3713 02:51:29,580 --> 02:51:26,920 I'm imagining you guys have private 3714 02:51:31,380 --> 02:51:29,590 conversations can you share anything oh 3715 02:51:32,309 --> 02:51:31,390 I mean what's his take on this is he 3716 02:51:34,530 --> 02:51:32,319 gonna come out and make a statement 3717 02:51:37,050 --> 02:51:34,540 because I really think he could probably 3718 02:51:39,599 --> 02:51:37,060 clear up some of this stuff but maybe 3719 02:51:41,219 --> 02:51:39,609 just lays low I mean what's going on 3720 02:51:43,649 --> 02:51:41,229 with David are we gonna have on the show 3721 02:51:47,700 --> 02:51:43,659 soon what yeah we could have mama show 3722 02:51:53,660 --> 02:51:47,710 soon there's but what would what 3723 02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:57,780 what's the you said well Eric you said 3724 02:52:02,610 --> 02:51:59,439 there's an obvious question that 3725 02:52:05,880 --> 02:52:02,620 everybody has so what's the obvious 3726 02:52:08,460 --> 02:52:05,890 question what's his opinion we I really 3727 02:52:10,349 --> 02:52:08,470 like to know his opinion on what's going 3728 02:52:14,219 --> 02:52:10,359 on with Corey and and you know his 3729 02:52:16,920 --> 02:52:14,229 position with his you know with with 3730 02:52:18,450 --> 02:52:16,930 what his stance was and so and then of 3731 02:52:20,760 --> 02:52:18,460 course you got mr. rice on the other 3732 02:52:22,410 --> 02:52:20,770 side but I mean I'm gonna have to think 3733 02:52:24,719 --> 02:52:22,420 I'm just speculating I would think that 3734 02:52:27,330 --> 02:52:24,729 Corey and David would had a conversation 3735 02:52:28,500 --> 02:52:27,340 I just don't imagine that Corey would 3736 02:52:30,210 --> 02:52:28,510 just come out with that without 3737 02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:30,220 consulting with some people first I 3738 02:52:33,059 --> 02:52:31,810 could be totally wrong but would that 3739 02:52:35,219 --> 02:52:33,069 make sense to you that he would at least 3740 02:52:38,420 --> 02:52:35,229 consult with David who brought him 3741 02:52:42,780 --> 02:52:38,430 forward to begin with I'm out okay Eric 3742 02:52:46,170 --> 02:52:42,790 what are you talking about what clarify 3743 02:52:50,040 --> 02:52:46,180 talk to me like I'm four years old what 3744 02:52:52,740 --> 02:52:50,050 is it that you are saying I'm just I'm 3745 02:52:55,860 --> 02:52:52,750 just wondering okay I just don't know 3746 02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:55,870 that he got real good advice I just I'm 3747 02:53:01,080 --> 02:52:57,130 just trying to figure out it mean real 3748 02:53:03,689 --> 02:53:01,090 good advice on what on Jason rice no no 3749 02:53:05,399 --> 02:53:03,699 I'm coming out with this this labeling 3750 02:53:08,099 --> 02:53:05,409 thing or you know this trademark thing 3751 02:53:10,679 --> 02:53:08,109 and taking a stand against mr. rice and 3752 02:53:12,751 --> 02:53:10,689 just basically trying to kind of draw 3753 02:53:15,031 --> 02:53:12,761 the line in the sand a little bit you 3754 02:53:18,270 --> 02:53:15,041 but what is david hafted what does David 3755 02:53:19,711 --> 02:53:18,280 have to do with the trademark he doesn't 3756 02:53:22,201 --> 02:53:19,721 have anything to do that I would assume 3757 02:53:23,791 --> 02:53:22,211 but okay I would just think that Corey 3758 02:53:25,770 --> 02:53:23,801 would talk to David and I would think 3759 02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:25,780 that David would say that's a good idea 3760 02:53:29,850 --> 02:53:27,610 that's not a good idea or do what you 3761 02:53:31,081 --> 02:53:29,860 want I'm just kind of I'm just trying to 3762 02:53:36,661 --> 02:53:31,091 get into the head of what's really going 3763 02:53:44,281 --> 02:53:36,671 on okay I hear you there I'm I am Not 3764 02:53:46,081 --> 02:53:44,291 sure okay look what does all everything 3765 02:53:48,301 --> 02:53:46,091 that you just said Eric and no 3766 02:53:52,020 --> 02:53:48,311 disrespect what does that have to do 3767 02:53:54,511 --> 02:53:52,030 with anything okay my concern with the 3768 02:53:58,081 --> 02:53:54,521 trademarks okay this is my concern is 3769 02:54:00,060 --> 02:53:58,091 that trademarking your own intellectual 3770 02:54:03,390 --> 02:54:00,070 property fine go and have at it 3771 02:54:06,331 --> 02:54:03,400 I don't be that whatever my concern with 3772 02:54:10,401 --> 02:54:06,341 Corey and again I have no dogs in this 3773 02:54:13,951 --> 02:54:10,411 fight except when Corey 3774 02:54:16,741 --> 02:54:13,961 his attorneys send Jason writes a cease 3775 02:54:19,560 --> 02:54:16,751 and desist a couple of hours before fade 3776 02:54:22,981 --> 02:54:19,570 to black that I have an issue with you 3777 02:54:26,850 --> 02:54:22,991 know and and and trying to apparently 3778 02:54:29,310 --> 02:54:26,860 censor or silence or scare somebody from 3779 02:54:31,921 --> 02:54:29,320 appearing on a show like this you know I 3780 02:54:34,921 --> 02:54:31,931 that doesn't make sense to me so for me 3781 02:54:37,261 --> 02:54:34,931 that throws the concern about trademark 3782 02:54:38,791 --> 02:54:37,271 and freedom of speech and this community 3783 02:54:41,251 --> 02:54:38,801 could speak about whatever they want 3784 02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:41,261 kind of goes out the window if you're 3785 02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:42,730 gonna send somebody a cease and desist 3786 02:54:48,241 --> 02:54:45,730 letter unless I completely misunderstood 3787 02:54:51,060 --> 02:54:48,251 what that cease and desist letter was 3788 02:54:54,091 --> 02:54:51,070 intending to do if Jason rice is gonna 3789 02:54:56,131 --> 02:54:54,101 sell 20 and back t-shirts then there's 3790 02:54:58,711 --> 02:54:56,141 an issue there for Corey but talking 3791 02:55:00,831 --> 02:54:58,721 about 20 and back on this program that 3792 02:55:03,810 --> 02:55:00,841 has nothing to do with Corey that is 3793 02:55:06,151 --> 02:55:03,820 Jason's conversation you know so you 3794 02:55:09,511 --> 02:55:06,161 can't you can't have it both ways so 3795 02:55:11,761 --> 02:55:09,521 that's my concern you know so I don't I 3796 02:55:14,251 --> 02:55:11,771 don't know what the intention of sending 3797 02:55:18,151 --> 02:55:14,261 that letter was if it was different than 3798 02:55:20,611 --> 02:55:18,161 the way it reads right the way a read 3799 02:55:23,191 --> 02:55:20,621 says you can't go on fade to black and 3800 02:55:25,531 --> 02:55:23,201 talk about these things well that's that 3801 02:55:26,580 --> 02:55:25,541 has nothing to do with with Corey or 3802 02:55:28,290 --> 02:55:26,590 anybody 3803 02:55:29,730 --> 02:55:28,300 you know and I want to be very clear 3804 02:55:31,650 --> 02:55:29,740 about that anybody can come on this show 3805 02:55:33,660 --> 02:55:31,660 and talk about what they want you know 3806 02:55:38,131 --> 02:55:33,670 nobody's gonna tell me what to say or 3807 02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:38,141 what a guest on this show can speak 3808 02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:40,720 about you can't do that you know that is 3809 02:55:45,841 --> 02:55:43,210 that is censorship and there's there's 3810 02:55:48,450 --> 02:55:45,851 nothing to prevent anybody from coming 3811 02:55:51,570 --> 02:55:48,460 on the show and speaking so there you go 3812 02:55:55,610 --> 02:55:51,580 that's my answer to that okay well I 3813 02:55:58,290 --> 02:55:55,620 just I realized that you're privy to 3814 02:56:00,450 --> 02:55:58,300 conversations that and I also understand 3815 02:56:01,890 --> 02:56:00,460 out of respect for someone who might 3816 02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:01,900 come to you and say look I want to share 3817 02:56:06,030 --> 02:56:03,730 this with you but this is private than 3818 02:56:08,160 --> 02:56:06,040 you as a professional you need to 3819 02:56:10,290 --> 02:56:08,170 maintain that privacy but what kind of 3820 02:56:12,180 --> 02:56:10,300 bothers me as a kind of a fan of 3821 02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:12,190 somebody on the outside is that you know 3822 02:56:15,390 --> 02:56:13,690 I see certain people out there which 3823 02:56:16,770 --> 02:56:15,400 these are the same people that you don't 3824 02:56:19,650 --> 02:56:16,780 pay attention to what they say which is 3825 02:56:21,540 --> 02:56:19,660 fine right but they assume they assume 3826 02:56:23,160 --> 02:56:21,550 that because you don't disclose 3827 02:56:25,110 --> 02:56:23,170 information that you've probably been 3828 02:56:26,910 --> 02:56:25,120 that you've given your honor that you 3829 02:56:28,620 --> 02:56:26,920 would keep private but that means that 3830 02:56:30,870 --> 02:56:28,630 you're taking aside or you have an 3831 02:56:32,700 --> 02:56:30,880 opinion that difference in what you 3832 02:56:36,390 --> 02:56:32,710 present on the radio and I guess I just 3833 02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:36,400 kind of bug right yeah yeah and Eric 3834 02:56:46,710 --> 02:56:39,130 Eric you're so right with that and I 3835 02:56:48,690 --> 02:56:46,720 appreciate that but to to answer to try 3836 02:56:52,051 --> 02:56:48,700 to answer all of that first off I don't 3837 02:56:55,950 --> 02:56:52,061 listen to or watch or pay attention to 3838 02:56:58,770 --> 02:56:55,960 what others say I just don't do that 3839 02:57:03,631 --> 02:56:58,780 I I will say this in a very clear and 3840 02:57:09,360 --> 02:57:03,641 direct way I don't have any inside 3841 02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:09,370 information and I have tried to get that 3842 02:57:18,631 --> 02:57:15,760 information and not even if for myself 3843 02:57:21,450 --> 02:57:18,641 not to share on this show but certainly 3844 02:57:25,020 --> 02:57:21,460 to get clarification about what is what 3845 02:57:28,830 --> 02:57:25,030 is going on out there I I do know that 3846 02:57:32,011 --> 02:57:28,840 there are some concerns that is flying 3847 02:57:33,870 --> 02:57:32,021 around inside of the circle where they 3848 02:57:36,180 --> 02:57:33,880 are trying to seek the same answers that 3849 02:57:37,860 --> 02:57:36,190 all of us are so that says to me that 3850 02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:37,870 nobody 3851 02:57:45,360 --> 02:57:41,530 eally knows and I find that very 3852 02:57:49,320 --> 02:57:45,370 compelling so that's why I said here in 3853 02:57:53,400 --> 02:57:49,330 a very clear way when the smoke clears 3854 02:57:56,341 --> 02:57:53,410 and there is a guilty party somebody is 3855 02:57:58,920 --> 02:57:56,351 going to be horribly embarrassed and a 3856 02:58:02,700 --> 02:57:58,930 career and a reputation is going to be 3857 02:58:05,520 --> 02:58:02,710 so tarnished that it's it's it's gonna 3858 02:58:08,761 --> 02:58:05,530 be it's painful to see somebody get 3859 02:58:11,430 --> 02:58:08,771 exiled you know but I think that that is 3860 02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:11,440 going to be ultimately the the end 3861 02:58:16,530 --> 02:58:13,690 result here I just don't know you know 3862 02:58:18,780 --> 02:58:16,540 and there and that that that's it you 3863 02:58:21,841 --> 02:58:18,790 know I'm not withholding anything but 3864 02:58:25,460 --> 02:58:21,851 even if I did know something would I 3865 02:58:27,750 --> 02:58:25,470 breach it no there's too much legal 3866 02:58:31,080 --> 02:58:27,760 maneuvering that is going on right now 3867 02:58:33,630 --> 02:58:31,090 that that I'm gonna let everybody play 3868 02:58:34,801 --> 02:58:33,640 it out it's got to get played out and 3869 02:58:36,210 --> 02:58:34,811 then we'll have something to talk about 3870 02:58:39,301 --> 02:58:36,220 and to report on 3871 02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:39,311 but until then do I know something oh 3872 02:58:42,720 --> 02:58:40,090 man 3873 02:58:45,270 --> 02:58:42,730 not really I know that's a kind of a 3874 02:58:50,270 --> 02:58:45,280 bummer for everybody have I told you 3875 02:58:55,380 --> 02:58:50,280 anything private no right no you have 3876 02:58:57,091 --> 02:58:55,390 you know and we we I mean I've tried to 3877 02:58:58,710 --> 02:58:57,101 sneak in a few questions privately and 3878 02:59:02,880 --> 02:58:58,720 you just kind of give me that look I 3879 02:59:05,011 --> 02:59:02,890 know okay I can't go there wait and it 3880 02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:05,021 is and and I I appreciate your 3881 02:59:10,940 --> 02:59:08,080 friendship I know that you have been out 3882 02:59:14,730 --> 02:59:10,950 there on the road you've you've you've 3883 02:59:17,070 --> 02:59:14,740 made a lot of contacts out there and 3884 02:59:18,600 --> 02:59:17,080 you're out there trying to struggle with 3885 02:59:21,841 --> 02:59:18,610 these questions and answers just like 3886 02:59:23,700 --> 02:59:21,851 everybody else I'm talking about the UFO 3887 02:59:25,440 --> 02:59:23,710 question you know and this is this is 3888 02:59:27,570 --> 02:59:25,450 what you do and I appreciate that Eric 3889 02:59:28,261 --> 02:59:27,580 so don't ever change my friend don't 3890 02:59:30,990 --> 02:59:28,271 ever change 3891 02:59:32,070 --> 02:59:31,000 oh whoa great another great show look 3892 02:59:34,170 --> 02:59:32,080 forward to see you tomorrow night I'll 3893 02:59:36,360 --> 02:59:34,180 let you wrap it up right I gotta go I'm 3894 02:59:39,570 --> 02:59:36,370 exactly one minute late thank you so 3895 02:59:41,940 --> 02:59:39,580 much Eric I matter alright and that 3896 02:59:43,950 --> 02:59:41,950 wraps another episode of fade to black 3897 02:59:47,730 --> 02:59:43,960 I know I'm running late I've got to get 3898 02:59:49,650 --> 02:59:47,740 this in and let's 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